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Continuation Part Six: Discussion of the Amanda Knox/Raffaele Sollecito case

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yimyammer said:
The only thing I find strange about this conversation is that it says Raf hung up on the police. Did he really do that or did he have the typical cell phone disconnection?
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I don't know where Skind got his or her quote from, but I earlier linked to a PGP website which is probably not good practice, but I assumed the translations etc would be valid. It does seem that he hung up, because Raffaele in his book said he was told to call back. He is wrong about that - he was told: "Just a moment please" a few moments earlier. I do wonder if actually Raffaele had these transcripts in front of him when he wrote this book because he gives in my view the correct gist of things but not precisely correct. He thinks he was asked whether it was a burglary in the second call, but actually it was the first. He was asked "What did they take?" in the second call.
 
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Briars said:
Oh I didn't miss a thing and nor do have to prove anything by playing secretary to BIll and his stopping points.
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You absolutely do not have to prove a thing. But you would put him in his place if you just casually responded in Italian! (Not that I want him put in his place, I find his posts very interesting)
 
NancyS said:
Why not? Most authors of auto-biographies mis-remember, exaggerate, get things wrong or even downright lie to create a better narrative
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Nancy don't you think with the trial ongoing that it was very careless not to check the actual available recording before writing his memory of it. I have no way to verify or deny if what Briars is saying is true or not but if true it is at best dumb.
 
Grinder said:
Nancy don't you think with the trial ongoing that it was very careless not to check the actual available recording before writing his memory of it. I have no way to verify or deny if what Briars is saying is true or not but if true it is at best dumb.
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I agree with you.
 
Briars said:
Who is ever deemed guilty on one point?This is a worn out strategy with this group.
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While we disagree on much we do agree on this.

I would be interested if those piling on that it wasn't even suspicious at the time, think anything about their actions or what was found would make the police legitimately suspicious of them.

Perhaps we could get lists of the top three things. Not holding my breath.
 
davefoc said:
Do I have this right?

Sollecito told the emergency operator there was no theft and then the emergency operator pressed him on the issue and then Sollecito said again there was no theft.
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Depends on who you believe. Not clear to me.
 
Briars said:
Flatmates who lived in close quarters probably had a good idea if someone locked their door often or not. Returnig from the shower was she observed taking a key to unlock the door as Amanda said she did. The sound of a key in a lock makes a distinctive sound and that was either a common daily occurence or not.A sound that could be heard in the next room even if noone was in the hall. Filomena was certain she never locked her door and with good reason.
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Proving an earlier point, I disagree. Filomena lived at the other end of the house and had different hours than the students. It is highly unlikely and suspicious that she would know if Meredith ever locked her door.
 
toto said:
I know it's your contention. You've already said so! I don't think I have made a comment one way or the other on your point of view, except to say that ironically the best thing for Raffaele would be to have said "There's nothing stolen as far we can tell so far" , but this would paradoxically be exactly what a guilty person would have said. Raffaele and Amanda seem to say and do a number of things that haven't helped them at all, and yet were they to have been guilty they would have been far more cautious and circumspect. (IMO)
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Well in that case no analysis of a call would ever lead anywhere.
 
Charlie Wilkes said:
Fair enough. The police are supposed to be suspicious. Their suspicions are often aroused by observations that turn out not to be relevant to whatever they are investigating. That is not the problem here. The problem is that this is still being raised as though it is evidence of something, and it is not.
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And a fair enough back at you. :p

After the explanations and more knowledge I think it is of very little to no value.
 
Grinder said:
Proving an earlier point, I disagree. Filomena lived at the other end of the house and had different hours than the students. It is highly unlikely and suspicious that she would know if Meredith ever locked her door.
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Couldn't they both be correct since they're from different points of views/experiences?
 
Grinder said:
While we disagree on much we do agree on this.

I would be interested if those piling on that it wasn't even suspicious at the time, think anything about their actions or what was found would make the police legitimately suspicious of them.

Perhaps we could get lists of the top three things. Not holding my breath.
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I wasn't there, so am reluctant to comment on the demeanour of Sollecito and Knox. When I first got interested in the case was as with most people in the initial news reports.

I was suspicious of Amanda because

1) Accusing an innocent man
2) Admitting to being there
3) Kiss with Sollecito outside the house where Meredith was murdered

These impressions were not helped by further revelations that Sollecito had knife collection, had violent comics and that Amanda used a profanity when describing how Meredith was killed.
Assuming Amanda Knox is innocent I still wish she hadn't blurted that sentence out (according to her: "she got her *********** throat slit"). The rest I don't think is now indicative of guilt, and her outburst not really proof of anything except inappropriate behaviour.
 
yimyammer said:
Couldn't they both be correct since they're from different points of views/experiences?
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yim, are you trying to start something? :p

Either Meredith locked her door at other times then when she went back to England or she didn't.

Now they could both be telling the best truth they could.
 
Grinder said:
Well in that case no analysis of a call would ever lead anywhere.
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Depends on the context surely? Certainly wouldn't be my contention. I am not sure what the quite lengthy analysis of this call on this thread has led to, and I guess we won't know what relevance it has for the court until we read the motivations. It hasn't led me to believe Sollecito is guilty of murder, I'll give you that.
 
I didn't deny anything, even said the guard should face consequences if he harassed Amanda and possibly did worse to the other inmate. Unfortunately non of this has anything to do with her innocence. I thought the video was great and at least showed the space wasn't too small and she was restrained worth every penny. What I don't like is profiting from a book with obvious self serving lies. RS turns the dispatcher into something he wasn't in an attempt to explain his boo boo. Reminds me of all the complaining he did when they took his shoes on then 5th. Time passed ,the shoe removal took back stage by the time his book appeared. Now we learn it was far worse they actually told him they would leave him in a pool of blood, Makes the shoe whining seem kind of silly. Do you believe his police mistreatment add on ? I don't you can see by the transcript Skind posted he lied , even obvious in English.
 
grinder I'm not convinced think long hallway in an apartment of condo building you can hear the lock turn even if you are around the corner hear the elevator. I think that sound would carry in the tiled cottage. Amanda saying that she often locked the door was the more important observation of the two.
Thanks for the vote of confidance on my Italian that business was rather annoying.
 
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