9/11 No Planers who claim no planes struck the WTC, and think all the video is fake

[Dcdrac]

These questions still need answering:

1) Please elaborate further on your opinion; that a video of a catastrophe resembles other videos of catastrophes.

2) Please elaborate on your opinion special effects technology not existent today was not only existent in 2001 but was also able to manufacture effects on the fly in real time.

3) By not possible, we are generally describing your claim multiple videos of planes hitting the WTC shot from different angles by multiple eyewitnesses were somehow faked.

4) Not to mention, the other thousands of eyewitnesses who saw the same thing.

 

[Mikeys]

They did cut across the floors. Haven't you been keeping up?
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The photo alone is enough to highlight fiction. The cut off floor section was part of the structure, with the buildings centre and another floor system behind it and walls. When hit the floors had nowhere to escape. In the photo they are missing. If the clowns were smarter they could have made it look a bit more realistic like displaced and deformed trusses sticking out that sort of stuff. You have to make sure the photos you show pose a bit of a challenge if you want to play. Supposedly and object weighting say 5 xtimes of a Boeing and flying at 5000 mph should enter and penetrate through the windows. It could damage walls, and the floors to an extend. Most of this energy would escape throughout the building along the path of little resistance, turning it to an expanding bomb. Build a small replica of the towers and hit it with something even more compact than an airplane, like a a bullet. Keep size ratios within reason. Try to achieve a similar result as yyour photo shows. I will nominate you for the Nobel prize in physics if you do.

 

[Resume]

Build a small replica of the towers . . .

Why am I certain you've done this with cardboard boxes, crayons, and tinfoil while making vroom-vroom noises?

 

[dafydd]

The photo alone is enough to highlight fiction. The cut off floor section was part of the structure, with the buildings centre and another floor system behind it and walls. When hit the floors had nowhere to escape. In the photo they are missing. If the clowns were smarter they could have made it look a bit more realistic like displaced and deformed trusses sticking out that sort of stuff. You have to make sure the photos you show pose a bit of a challenge if you want to play. Supposedly and object weighting say 5 xtimes of a Boeing and flying at 5000 mph should enter and penetrate through the windows. It could damage walls, and the floors to an extend. Most of this energy would escape throughout the building along the path of little resistance, turning it to an expanding bomb. Build a small replica of the towers and hit it with something even more compact than an airplane, like a a bullet. Keep size ratios within reason. Try to achieve a similar result as yyour photo shows. I will nominate you for the Nobel prize in physics if you do.

Where did you study engineering and physics and what are your qualifications?

 

[Jack by the hedge]

Give me ten names of these hundreds upon thousands. I will look them up and check credibility. If you tell me they prefer to stay nameless I will respect their anonymity, but hey, no cookies.

Well, that's an interesting response. You are relying on the fact that there is no way I could possibly know who was watching and who wasn't.

That raises two further points:

1) It demonstrates the idiocy of any claim that every independent viewer or photographer could have been traced and "got at" by the Men In Black to have their testimony or photography suppressed.

2) It highlights that yours is a counsel of despair: My view which, though I cannot prove it, is consistent with the large volume of information available on 9/11, is that it's utterly obvious that many thousands of people were watching, not just in Manhattan, but for miles around. Your view seems to be that, of the vast number of potential eyewitnesses, nobody gave it a second glance. I hope you will pardon me for finding your version distinctly less than credible.

You will find if you stick around that there are witnesses from the day right here on this forum. Indeed right here in this thread.

 

[Mikeys]

Mikeys believes that an incrediblely complex and massively complicated fakery is somehow a better approach than actually flying planes into buildings.

Choose best time, like an early morning when there is still few people on the street.
Make boom 1
Move in
Show a movie and play it live
Evacuate neighbourhood under a good reason
Move in the players. Focus.
Make boom 2
Confuse confuse ****en confuse !!!

 

[threadworm]

Build a small replica of the towers and hit it with something even more compact than an airplane, like a a bullet. Keep size ratios within reason.

So in order to prove your point you should build a scale model of the towers and then do something utterly unlike what actually happened?

You're defeating your own argument: only a plane would make a plane shaped hole.

 

[Jack by the hedge]

Choose best time, like an early morning when there is still few people on the street.

Hilarious. Are you just deliberately trying to look ignorant now? Don't you mean "choose the peak of the morning commute in just about the busiest city in the world"?

Make boom 1

Easiest way to "make boom 1" look like a plane crash is to fly a plane into the tower. Why would the villains in your movie do it any other way?

Move in

This appears to be a piece of bad action movie dialogue. Move who in where and why, please?

Show a movie and play it live

That gives TV viewers something to look at. What about the people who are actually there? You know: New York. Those people?

Evacuate neighbourhood under a good reason
Move in the players. Focus.

Please never try to write a movie. It will absolutely blow.

Make boom 2

With another plane, unless your evil cabal are all retards.

Confuse confuse ****en confuse !!!

Mission accomplished. You are utterly confused.

 

[Mikeys]

true enough, for years not. It falls apart at a second glance however, like most of this type of trickeries. You lift the rug and there is there the helpless clown grinning back at you.

 

[Jack by the hedge]

true enough, for years not. It falls apart at a second glance however, like most of this type of trickeries. You lift the rug and there is there the helpless clown grinning back at you.

I have no idea what this means. Something about a helpless clown, which seems perhaps justified but I can't parse the rest.

However you said you were keen to research 9/11 eyewitnesses, to see if they stood up to your scrutiny. Have you tried Googling "9/11 eyewitness testimonies"? There is really no shortage. People with names and everything. You could have all the research material you want. I'm surprised you didn't think of it already.

 

[Craig4]

true enough, for years not. It falls apart at a second glance however, like most of this type of trickeries. You lift the rug and there is there the helpless clown grinning back at you.

What events fall into this category of trickery?

 

[dafydd]

true enough, for years not. It falls apart at a second glance however, like most of this type of trickeries. You lift the rug and there is there the helpless clown grinning back at you.

You want us to trust your opinion yet you can't use the quote function? Why all the silly similes? Why a rug? Why would a clown be helpless just because he was lying under it? He might have been taking a nap. If somebody was helpless would they grin? These are important questions. How is your full theory coming along?

 

[jaydeehess]

Choose best time, like an early morning when there is still few people on the street.Make boom 1
Move in
Show a movie and play it live
Evacuate neighbourhood under a good reason
Move in the players. Focus.
Make boom 2
Confuse confuse ****en confuse !!!

You mean the time of day when most people are heading TO work and there is likely to be a lot of them still on the street?
You mean this happening in one of the most densely populated places in North America/The World?
Are you saying they evacuated lower Manhattan, Staten Island and Jersey?


Mikeys, try not to let your mind open so wide as to have your brains fall out.

 

[LogicallyYours]

No one edited anything. A bunch of clowns made a bad res flick and played you. 10 years later they showed you high res photos and video clips. Amen

I have to say, this logic and argument is really not well thought out past the initial claim

The reason there were so many vids and photos taken from similar locations is, people were all standing in places where they could get a look at what was happpening.

I was standing on three blocks away (while on my way to 80 Johns St) on a corner with about 400 other people...many of whom had cell cameras, not mention the tourists who had real camera and camcorders. We were all jamming together to see. While I didnt see the first plane, I saw the second while watching what was happeing with the first tower hit.

You have to remember, there were thousands of people on the streets who all saw this happen so, your claims of no-planes are beyond absurd.

 

[Garrison]

Choose best time, like an early morning when there is still few people on the street.
Make boom 1
Move in
Show a movie and play it live
Evacuate neighbourhood under a good reason
Move in the players. Focus.
Make boom 2
Confuse confuse ****en confuse !!!

In 3D, in mid air, without a screen...

 

[Mikeys]

I have no idea what this means. Something about a helpless clown, which seems perhaps justified but I can't parse the rest.

However you said you were keen to research 9/11 eyewitnesses, to see if they stood up to your scrutiny. Have you tried Googling "9/11 eyewitness testimonies"? There is really no shortage. People with names and everything. You could have all the research material you want. I'm surprised you didn't think of it already.

Google's a bit of a biatch. I thought you would throw some meat to bolster your claims. Bad meat?

 

[twinstead]

Google's a bit of a biatch. I thought you would throw some meat to bolster your claims. Bad meat?

The only one making a claim here is you. You claim that every single image and video is faked, and all eye witnesses are mistaken or lying.

I haven't seen any evidence to support that.

 

[Jack by the hedge]

Find for yourself. Go out at 9 in the morning in Manhattan to find crowds. Compare to later hours.

You said they chose a time early in the morning when there would still be few people about. Have you ever visited a city? Have you ever been out at 9am? Did you actually know when you typed that what time the planes crashed? You don't give that impression.

As it happens I have seen Manhattan at 9am. There are rarely few people about in Manhattan, and 9am is definitely not one of those times.

Well, you have some problems separating what was going on in the streets from what you saw on your tv. 911 cognitive dissonance my verdict would be.

On the contrary, I drew a specific distinction between what was shown on TV and what was actually witnessed in New York. You, on the other hand, seem to think the whole thing was a movie on TV.

Why does so little of what you write appear to make logical sense? Is this a discussion or some kind if performance art? Are you a human or a computer?

 

[Jack by the hedge]

Google's a bit of a biatch. I thought you would throw some meat to bolster your claims. Bad meat?

Google's really quite simple when you get used to it. Is there someone there who could help you?

Like I said, there are people on this very forum who were eyewitnesses to 9/11, but it's not really my business to point them out to you. They get pretty tired of being called liars by people who have no idea what they're talking about.

 

[dafydd]

The only one making a claim here is you. You claim that every single image and video is faked, and all eye witnesses are mistaken or lying.

I haven't seen any evidence to support that.

That's because said evidence does not exist only Mikeys hasn't twigged that yet.