Is Not Knowing the Capital of Canada a Problem?

I contend that it is virtually impossible for any US citizen to not have been exposed to the fact that Ottowa is Canada's capital multiple times during their life. Of course I can't prove that, but I suspect few will contradict my assertion.

The question is, therefore, why would you not retain this knowledge? What is it about someone's personal view of the world that says "this is irrelevant, I don't need to know it"? This is what I am struggling with...the wilful categorisation of whole classes of information as useless. Why the category "anything outside my state" is one of those categories is something I'll never understand, however many times, and how vehemently, it is explained.

To those who think that foreign affairs are irrelevant to their lives....... maybe this is why your leaders can lead you sleep-walking into ridiculous foreign wars which are none of the US' business. If you can't hold your politicians to account on foreign affairs because you have no knowledge or interest, then your right to complain when they draft your children and send them off with a gun in their hand to fight and die in far off lands, is reduced to close to zero in my view.
You're equating "not readily recalling the name of the capital of Canada" with "not having any interest in, or knowledge of, foreign affairs."

I had originally intended to say you were making a mistake, but I don't think that's quite true... It seems pretty clear that you're doing it on purpose, to support your chauvinist worldview: Remembering Ottawa specifically must be important, because if it isn't, you can't claim Americans are stupid and wrong if they don't. Clearly, being able to make this claim is important to you.
 
That's unfair, theprestige, and totally wrong.

I draw a strong link between knowing basic facts of foreign countries and having a knowledge and interest in foreign affairs, certainly, because I cannot see how you can have one without the other. But I do not claim that US citizens are stupid. Of course they're not, at least, no more than anywhere else. I am truly disturbed, however, to see so many strong defences of wilful ignorance in this thread. Why are people OK with not knowing stuff?
 
That's unfair, theprestige, and totally wrong.

I draw a strong link between knowing basic facts of foreign countries and having a knowledge and interest in foreign affairs, certainly, because I cannot see how you can have one without the other. But I do not claim that US citizens are stupid. Of course they're not, at least, no more than anywhere else. I am truly disturbed, however, to see so many strong defences of wilful ignorance in this thread. Why are people OK with not knowing stuff?

I don't see it as 'wilful ignorance' or 'OK with not knowing stuff'. Just that Americans (can I say that?) are exposed to stuff that reasonably reflects the self-contained nature of their country.

Turn the argument around .... The USA is the military and economic (for now ;)) powerhouse of the world. So why don't Brits and Germans and Japanese know that the capital of New York State is Albany, rather than New York City? How many know that Washington DC is something more than a city and yet not a state? Yet, there it lies, probably the most influential piece of real-estate on the planet?
 
If I have particular weak points, they would be sport and 'celebrities', but that still doesn't mean that I don't know anything. I can't decide what the sport equivalent of not knowing the capital of Canada would be. I mean, I can name most English or Scottish soccer teams, and NFL teams. I can name a few competitors in most sports. The names of celebrities are usually familiar to me, even if I don't know exactly what they do.

Yeah, the 'celebrity' and 'soap operas' quiz rounds were where I nipped outside for a smoke.

But the sport equivalent of Ottowa ... maybe the name of 'the home of English cricket'?
 
Yeah, the 'celebrity' and 'soap operas' quiz rounds were where I nipped outside for a smoke.

But the sport equivalent of Ottowa ... maybe the name of 'the home of English cricket'?
Probably not Grace Road. I would have to guess Lord's.
 
So why don't Brits and Germans and Japanese know that the capital of New York State is Albany, rather than New York City?
How many US citizens know the name of the capital of the German land of Mecklenburg-Vorpommern? If they don't, why not?
 
How many US citizens know the name of the capital of the German land of Mecklenburg-Vorpommern? If they don't, why not?

They're too busy wiki'ing 'Mecklenburg-Vorpommern' to learn anything useful, like how to change a flat tyre?

(whoa! I thought you were bluffing but I wiki'd it)

eta: Spooky. I learned the name of its capital, but now I've forgotten my middle name. My brain filled and some knowledge got shunted out.

Mecklenburg-VorpommernWP. Schwerin looks beautiful (a bit wet in winter I'd bet). I had no idea it even existed.
 
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The specific location of the capitol itself has so little impact foreign affairs. The policy of countries is not determined by the location of their meetings but by the nature of their economies, populations and governmental structures. If Canada suddenly teleported Parliment Hill and the various other government buildings and embassies in Ottawa to, say, Thunder Bay, would Canada change in any meaningful way, other than having an even more obscure capitol relative to it's primary cities?
Timber and oil would still get exported, consumer manufactured goods would still get imported, the potential susession of Quebec provence would still rumble along at its varying level of interest, their generally positive contributions to the world dialogue would still be in place and Toronto, Montreal, and Vancouver would still be the most important cities to know about due to their contribution to the population, culture and economies of the country they're in.
 
Will people please stop spelling it 'capitol'? A capitol is a building, and it is a building that may or may not be situated in the capital.
 
The specific location of the capitol itself has so little impact foreign affairs. The policy of countries is not determined by the location of their meetings but by the nature of their economies, populations and governmental structures.

Exactly so. When I hear "Canadian Prime Mister Stephan Harper said today..." I don't give a damn where he said it from. If what he said matters, it matters for what it is and who said it, not from where he said it, unless he did so on my front lawn.

Likewise, it matters not where Congress meets, or where Obama's residence is to people in Pakistan or Syria. What matters is the policies which they put into action.
 
Will people please stop spelling it 'capitol'? A capitol is a building, and it is a building that may or may not be situated in the capital.


They may have been talking about the record company. Did you ever think of that Mr. Grammarian?

Now who looks foolish?
 
They may have been talking about the record company. Did you ever think of that Mr. Grammarian?

Now who looks foolish?

He's as bad as Hitler (who was born in Salzburger Vorstadt, not even in Germany! pffft)
 
Not knowing some fact or another is only a "problem" if it has some negative consequence in the person's life. I honestly opened the thread not sure if it was Montreal or Toronto but pretty sure it was one or the other. :blush:

However important Canada may be in the world, the honest fact is that it doesn't affect me one bit to me what city the Prime Minister sleeps in, and knowing or not knowing has no effect on my life. Ottawa may be important in some circles, but I don't run in them. So, no, not a problem.
 
A better one would be for people to identify the capital of Switzerland. Or both capitals of The Netherlands.

And we only got one capital, by the way. We just don't allow the government in it. Not permanently at least. And neither is the King a residential of the capital.

We've got two large cities who both have the ego and attitude for a capital. One, though, already has one of the largest harbours in the world, so we had to give the title of capital to the other one. Or else they just wouldn't shut up. :rolleyes:
To balance things we put the government smack in the middle between them. :cool:
That way the rest of the country can go their way without being bothered by them.

So that's how it happened. :D
No, it's actually not how it happened. Anyway, kudos to you Travis for knowing there's something funny about the Dutch capital.

The Hague - in Dutch 's-Gravenhage or Den Haag - was the traditional court of the Count of Holland, and thus also became the residence of the States of Holland, the "parliament" of the county. The Hague, at the time, wasn't even a walled city, and it never got city rights in a time that those mattered.

In the middle of the 16th Century, the Spanish King had collected all of the counties/duchies/bishoprics which correspond to nowadays Netherlands and Belgium and Luxembourg, and had made a joint parliament for those provinces, called the States General.

When the seven northern provinces revolted against the Spanish King, from 1568 on, they assembled their own States General, and the obvious place for these to assemble was The Hague, as Holland was by far the most powerful of these revolting provinces. It was also close to Delft, where William of Orange had chosen residence.

Amsterdam was out of the question to become residence at the time, because, unlike the other cities in Holland, it had not chosen immediately to side with the revolt against Spain; it only did so in 1578, i.e., 10 years after the start of the revolt. Amsterdam, at that time, was already the biggest city in Holland and in the Netherlands, with nearly 30,000 inhabitants. Rotterdam, by comparison, only had 10,000 inhabitants, and I would not be surprised if there were other cities bigger than Rotterdam at the time. It simply was one of the many cities in Holland, and had a modest port. During the Dutch Republic (1568-1795), Amsterdam would grow to over 200,000 inhabitants, while Rotterdam never had more than 50,000.

After the "French period", 1795-1813, when the Netherlands was a French vassal state and later part of France, the Kingdom of the Netherlands was established, and it was obvious that Amsterdam should be the nominal capital, being the largest and most important city, and The Hague remained the residence of the government as it had always been. Rotterdam didn't come into the equation: the rise of Rotterdam to be the second-largest city only occurred after 1872, when the Nieuwe Waterweg, the still current canal linking Rotterdam with the sea was dug to replace the shallow sea lanes that had been in use before.
 
How many US citizens know the name of the capital of the German land of Mecklenburg-Vorpommern? If they don't, why not?

Exactly. And then you're being easy, Germany having only 16 Länder (states). Try that with the 90-odd French départements or the I-don't-know-how-many counties of the UK.
 
You'll know it more commonly as The Hague, which raises the interesting diversion of the anglicising of place names. For instance, if west Africans weren't such laid-back people, some of them would mention that they consider it rude that we call Cote d'Ivoire (sorry, can't do accents) the Ivory Coast.

Why do you consider that rude? Everybody adapts names of frequently occurring foreign to their own language. In the Netherlands, we speak of Londen and Parijs and Berlijn, for instance. I don't think any Dutchman is in the slightest bothered by the fact that anglophones speak of "The Hague", francophones speak of "La Haye" or germanophones speak of "Der Haag".

And we also translate the name of the above mentioned West-African country into Ivoorkust. If the Ivorians don't like that, they should really think of changing the colonial name of their country into something unrecognizable, like their neighbours Ghana did: we don't call that one Goudkust (Goldcoast) anymore, even though it was a Dutch colony until 1870. :)

I think the far more interesting question is why some names get adapted and others not. It's clear with The Hague, as with other major cities. But why do you call Vlissingen "Flushing"? It's only a minor city now, and was one of the many ones back in the 16/17th Century. Where there special trading connections between Vlissingen and England? Or because it was one the two towns Leicester got in lien (and then ransacked) when he came to "help" the Dutch Revolt? Or out of reverence to Michiel de Ruyter? :)

(and now you Americans know where the name Flushing Meadows comes from).
 

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