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[Reno]

So transferring these spirits into other PC's wouldn't be accepted as supernatural ?

Transferring spirits (of the supernatural kind) from one PC to another would be accepted as paranormal. But first you have to prove under controlled conditions that this is what is actually happening. How do you or flaccon intend to prove this under controlled conditions? What's your protocol?

 

[Alice Shortcake]

My loony bun is fine, Benny Lava!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dfn0Wtv5HzY

 

[calebprime]

My loony bun is fine, Benny Lava!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dfn0Wtv5HzY

Ah, Benny Lava. One of all-time favorites

 

[trustbutverify]

You do understand, don't you, that none of this is an objective test, and that it will not be accepted by any sceptic's group as a test protocol?

I don't think he does.

 

[scrappy]

Transferring spirits (of the supernatural kind) from one PC to another would be accepted as paranormal. But first you have to prove under controlled conditions that this is what is actually happening. How do you or flaccon intend to prove this under controlled conditions? What's your protocol?

flaccon submitted her claim over a month ago, so she has the details. I'm not a part of the protocol. I haven't read the procedure.

I'll be sponsoring her though, and if she completes all 5 feats I'll match the prize money too.

 

[trustbutverify]

So transferring these spirits into other PC's wouldn't be accepted as supernatural ?

You're putting me on, right?

 

[Squeegee Beckenheim]

So transferring these spirits into other PC's wouldn't be accepted as supernatural ?

"Spirits" is an assumption. Pareidolia is a more parsimonious explanation. If you want people to believe that what they are hearing is spirits then you will need to devise a way to eliminate pareidolia as an explanation. Many people on this thread have tried to help you and flaccon to devise such a test but, so far, it's all been for naught.

Is there any particular reason you're avoiding my question about Jesus?

 

[Squeegee Beckenheim]

My loony bun is fine, Benny Lava!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dfn0Wtv5HzY

Doesn't even have to be foreign lyrics.

Diana Vickers with subtitles, from The X-Factor several years ago:



Unfortunately, the best one was her version of "Everybody Hurts", but that was taken down due to a copyright claim of the audio. Boo! The only lyrics I can remember are from the start:

Mend the day, Islam,
Undermine,
The mine ensures the gold.

And who could forget this classic advert from the 80s:

 

[Mojo]

Whats the point in relaying any important messages here? I'm sure once its established for what it is, you'll hear soon enough. And its not for flacon to relay anything so intense, it was up to the church to take this info and deal with it.

What message did she give to the church? Was it the same message that she claimed to be unable to post here because she is "not literate enough to find the words required"?

 

[zooterkin]

flaccon submitted her claim over a month ago, so she has the details. I'm not a part of the protocol. I haven't read the procedure.

I'll be sponsoring her though, and if she completes all 5 feats I'll match the prize money too.

Your money is safe, then.

 

[Daylightstar]

flaccon submitted her claim over a month ago, so she has the details. I'm not a part of the protocol. I haven't read the procedure. ...

nevertheless you talk about completing:

... all 5 feats ...

How would you know about '5 feats'?

... and if she completes all 5 feats I'll match the prize money too.

How much is the prize money?

 

[Daylightstar]

Whats the point in relaying any important messages here? ...

Well then, what's the point in relaying the claim that there is an important message to relay?

... to relay anything so intense, ...

You two certainly haven't relayed any intense messages, it's been quite a dull show really as far as messages is concerned.
Apart from you two having relayed intense irrationality, vagueness and intense internal inconsistencies as if you're throwing up a smoke screen, nothing too intense is displayed by the two of you.

 

[Daylightstar]

I downloaded your file example last night and found that the hissing noise is louder than the background noise I hear on my PC.

Right, right. How do you believe you could establish these claimed two different sound levels?

 

[Elizabeth I]

And its not for flacon to relay anything so intense, it was up to the church to take this info and deal with it.

Then why are the "spirits" speaking to flaccon and not to church officials?

Silly question, I know, since neither scrappy nor flaccon will answer it.

 

[Alice Shortcake]

Then why are the "spirits" speaking to flaccon and not to church officials?

Well, you know what the Bible says about people who try to communicate with the spirits of the dead...

 

[trustbutverify]

You do understand, don't you, that none of this is an objective test, and that it will not be accepted by any sceptic's group as a test protocol?

So transferring these spirits into other PC's wouldn't be accepted as supernatural ?

Could you please explain how your answer relates to SB's question? Obviously, the mere existence of "spirits" would be accepted as supernatural, no matter which computers they supposedly get passed around to. What's required is an experimentally legitimate test protocol, complete with well defined pass and fail conditions. Without this, you have no testable claim and, therefore, no chance of being accepted by any skeptic's organization running a challenge.

Do you understand?

 

[Jack by the hedge]

I have a suggestion for scrappy. How about this:



Make a recording. Satisfy yourself there are no voices on it. Don't let flaccon hear it yet.



Share it with anyone who wants to participate, so we can all agree our copies don't have voices on them and we can note their MD5 hash "fingerprint" so we're certain its always the same file.



Then let flaccon hear a copy. If she thinks hers contains voices, we can all check our own copies.



It doesn't have to work first time. It only needs to work once. What do you think?

 

[Pixel42]

Make a recording. Satisfy yourself there are no voices on it.

I thought scrappy's computer was now "haunted" by flaccon's father, so that every "silent" recording he makes has his voice on it when he plays it back.

 

[abaddon]

I thought scrappy's computer was now "haunted" by flaccon's father, so that every "silent" recording he makes has his voice on it when he plays it back.

According to scrappy:

In June I sent Flaccon a silent recording that I'd made in January. It was generated using the built-in cyberlink app and built-in mic. The file altered considerably, and now I have voices coming through my PC all the time. Yes good description, a chain reaction occurs according to arrange of wires/equipment used.

They are not in the air, so an external mic blocks their attempts of getting through (tested it with a few people) They told her that they travel thru her fingers and into her PC, and then into into PC's.

She feels that they are not altering the files as such, just adding their words or differences to the files. They are not being recorded no, they speak on playback of a silent-generated recording (no mute)

Youtube. After altering my PC, they asked her to go on to youtube. At first she was hearing words that were familiar to her but she wasn't sure if it was coincidental. So we did that test, I listened in first, so flaccon knew there were no voices, then flaccon listened in. The files I heard for the second time, had altered. There were "extra" noises/voices added. Sometimes vague or sluggish, sometimes clear, but recognisable enough to know that the files had altered. Once a file alters, any copy of that file will alter accordingly.

It seems scrappy sends a blank, flaccon tells him what to hear, scrappy hears it.

Textbook pariedolia.

 

[Pixel42]

According to scrappy:

It seems scrappy sends a blank, flaccon tells him what to hear, scrappy hears it.

Textbook pariedolia.

Yes, but scrappy also said the spirits had been transferred to his own computer, which now produces recordings containing the voice of flaccon's father without any intervention by flaccon. So he can no longer produce a silent file. That's my understanding, anyway.