Looking for Skeptics

[Cassidy]

Jack, I listened to dozens, perhaps hundreds, of clips when I visited flaccon, and some of them were pretty hard on the eardrums. I don't recall this one but I suppose it might have been among them. I went hoping to hear something paranormal and to me there is nothing paranormal about a voice saying "Hi Katie it's Julie".

Tracey, what would be the significance of this clip?

These were the two main clips that we spoke about with much detail. The significance of these clips were, my name is "Tracey" my deceased sister is called "Julie" and the woman in the clip is actually called "Katie" Whilst that may appear normal to you, it's not normal to us.

We also didn't go through hundreds, we went through around 10 of Mr Roberts, and just a couple of mine. There was little point in using mine, they are too quiet.

 

[Pixel42]

I asked Alderbank for his opinion as to why my computer is churning out noise suggestive of words.

All noise is suggestive of words if you have a good enough imagination and are determined to hear words.

 

[pakeha]

When he went against advice and be'ed a hero, be'ed a fool with his life. Everybody knows that!

Of course!

 

[Dissolution]

These were the two main clips that we spoke about with much detail. The significance of these clips were, my name is "Tracey" my deceased sister is called "Julie" and the woman in the clip is actually called "Katie" Whilst that may appear normal to you, it's not normal to us.

We also didn't go through hundreds, we went through around 10 of Mr Roberts, and just a couple of mine. There was little point in using mine, they are too quiet.

You're claiming that the clip said Katie though, not Tracey.
So someone in a Youtube video said something that has no relevance to you at all, other than containing the name of your sister, and you think that's supernatural?
I don't get it.

Could you link to the clip, please?

 

[Cassidy]

What "contest" is it? What replies have you had already?

Oh, and what words and sentences did the spirits use to explain the "Great Mystery of Life"?

You actually wouldn't believe the replies I've had, I can hardly believe them myself. I posted off a signed agreement on their T&C's. They request I add a brief letter forwarding a claim, and also a suggested test. I have everything their organisation requests, letter from GP, signed letters from other professional people.

 

[Pixel42]

flaccon, why don't you do the same thing for us as you've been doing for scrappy, i.e. post a link to a random youtube clip that we can listen to, then listen to it yourself and tell us what you can hear. We can then listen to it again and see if new sounds/voices have indeed appeared, as you and scrappy are claiming.

 

[Cassidy]

You're claiming that the clip said Katie though, not Tracey.
So someone in a Youtube video said something that has no relevance to you at all, other than containing the name of your sister, and you think that's supernatural?
I don't get it.

Could you link to the clip, please?

Sorry I was referring to a meet with Alderbank. I had no youtube clips at that point. It was a voice on my computer that came from nowhere.

 

[Dissolution]

You actually wouldn't believe the replies I've had, I can hardly believe them myself. I posted off a signed agreement on their T&C's. They request I add a brief letter forwarding a claim, and also a suggested test. I have everything their organisation requests, letter from GP, signed letters from other professional people.

Which organisation is this?

 

[Mojo]

I recently purchased a new computer intended for the contest.

What contest?

 

[Mojo]

You actually wouldn't believe the replies I've had...

I certainly wouldn't believe them if you won't say who the replies are from, or what "contest" they relate to.

 

[Cassidy]

When is a delusion not a delusion? When there's solid evidence that it's not a delusion. You have absolutely no solid evidence - all you're doing is feeding one another's fantasies. You're both too emotionally involved in this farrago to see how sad and absurd it really is.

I prefer to go along with the GP's reply. He initially requested I show him whatever evidence I thought I had, and he wiped the floor with me after hearing/seeing. Despite the vagueness, I found his letter somewhat supportive. He also made it very clear what I'd be up against with the people.

Today 9 months later, after hearing and witnessing all that he has witnessed (on a monthly basis) I would say his views are very different.

He knows this, it requires a proper investigation before it's blindly rejected and labelled delusional.

 

[Mojo]

Flaccon, what words and sentences did the spirits use to explain the "Great Mystery of Life"?

 

[Cassidy]

I certainly wouldn't believe them if you won't say who the replies are from, or what "contest" they relate to.

I am merely respecting their privacy, and their problems.

 

[Pixel42]

Today 9 months later, after hearing and witnessing all that he has witnessed (on a monthly basis) I would say his views are very different.

I'm more interested in what he would say.

He knows this, it requires a proper investigation before it's blindly rejected and labelled delusional.

You mean like the one we've been doing for you, whose findings you keep rejecting?

 

[Cassidy]

flaccon, why don't you do the same thing for us as you've been doing for scrappy, i.e. post a link to a random youtube clip that we can listen to, then listen to it yourself and tell us what you can hear. We can then listen to it again and see if new sounds/voices have indeed appeared, as you and scrappy are claiming.

That sounds fair.
When Mr Roberts computer altered, it was the spirits who suggested I go on to youtube. I initially believed I was only hearing familiar voices/words because I was conditioned to hear out for them. I only asked Mr Roberts to do this with me so I could hear a clip over the phone before I played it through this machine.

I did the same procedure with jfisher's clip. Over the phone with Mr Roberts, I actually did hear what jfisher described in the comment "a constant drone of rain and a whiring fan" If the file did not alter, why was it not reported that audio the clip was full of interferences and silences in the first place? MD hash aside, that clip bears no resemblance to its initial description.

 

[Jack by the hedge]

If the file did not alter, why was it not reported that audio the clip was full of interferences and silences in the first place? MD hash aside, that clip bears no resemblance to its initial description.

Why? Because the "interferences and silences" were just unremarkable background noise until you started insisting you could perceive voices in that quiet burbling.

Just the same as the six laptops you think are faulty but really aren't. They are capable of generating a noisy output which you can imagine hearing voices in. It's not mysterious; it's really, really simple.

You don't get to handwave evidence away by saying "MD5 hash aside" because that is actual solid evidence that the files did not in fact change. What changed was your conviction that you could hear voices saying things of peculiar significance to you, and through this discussion we have examples of how unreliable that is.

 

[Cassidy]

Flaccon, what words and sentences did the spirits use to explain the "Great Mystery of Life"?

When I get to prove that my voice is indeed alongside my deceased Father's voice, I'd say that's a good part of the mystery wrapped up.


(I have to sign out now but I look forward to the suggestion Pixel mentions)

 

[Reno]

Is it any wonder that the world is in the crappy state it's in <SNIP> ?

Edited by Locknar: 

SNIPed, breach of rule 0, rule 12.

 

[Mojo]

When I get to prove that my voice is indeed alongside my deceased Father's voice, I'd say that's a good part of the mystery wrapped up.

You claim that the spirits have "explain[ed] the great mystery of life". What is "the great mystery of life", and how did they explain it?

ETA: their having explained this mystery was put forward by you as a justification for their refusal to take part in tests that would be able to demonstrate that they exist, which doesn't bode well for any attempt to "prove that [your] voice is indeed alongside [your] deceased Father's voice".

 

[Biscuit]

I played two clips where Julie says hello. Yes, the first one didn't count because it was refered to as chipmonk-like. The second one "Tracey it's Julie" also didn't count because the voice was very hoarse. That particular conversation ended with "I can't go back and tell them thats a voice I'll be ridiculed too" (fair enough)

I asked Alderbank for his opinion as to why my computer is churning out noise suggestive of words. He replied "It's probably broken" The same reply went for Mr Roberts, Mr Bulgers and Mrs M's computers. Four broken junkers.

I recently purchased a new computer intended for the contest. I checked for a silent recording, and immediately "messages" were coming through. I swapped the computer for a different model. I had a friend set it up and check for a silent recording, but we got the same results. So that's six broken junkers so far.

The computers are probably just fine its your method that is the problem. You are using low quality audio files and playing them full blast and listening at the pass through of the speaker. Your method is causing the already poor audio to be further distorted so that your brain can actively engage in trying to sort out the resulting chaos into a pattern. In this case that pattern is voices you want to hear.