Continuation Part Six: Discussion of the Amanda Knox/Raffaele Sollecito case

[Bill Williams]

It sometimes looks that way to spectators.

In any case, she was not moored to any particular belief system and she was experimenting. Over the course of several weeks she had a series of experiences that didn't cause any major problems, but didn't fulfill her hopes. Then she met a perfect gentleman who she could trust, just what she was looking for.

All of this makes perfect sense to me. I don't see it as the least bit unusual or indicative of a troubled personality. I also see it as none of my business. I met her through her family, and after getting to know her panic-stricken mother quite well. I am fated to view Amanda Knox as someone who is important to a whole lot of people for reasons that have nothing to do with her sex appeal.

Truly I have no way of verifying or trying to deny any of this. Yet the point is - even if everything in Machiavelli's list of compatibilies is true and the "worst" spin can stick to it, it still is a large "so what?"

Re. Religion. Tis true, I'd be stupid to deny it. There's way way way too much emphasis on sex in it. Prejudicial attitudes towards LGBT folk and trying to control women and their wombs is high on the list of every religion's foibles. It's sad.

Wrongful prosecutions ruin a whole network of lives. Ten thousand dead in Philippines. And God cares if you're wearing a condom?

Maybe the next Flood will be targeted at religious types and God will enjoy watching atheists sort it out. Religious people only get so many chances, and if it cashes out as God being horrified that college students might have sex once in a while, maybe it's God who's wanting distance from believers.

And for the 100th time there was no sex on a train. But even if there was, it's not a profiling element to any relevant other than it was sex on a train. Just don't scare the other passengers. .. or yank on the emergency stop cord!
Sheesh.

 

[Grinder]

From the genius of Harryrag:

There aren't any plausible innocent explanations for Meredith's DNA being lodged in a microscopic blade on the knife

Apparently Steffy discovered an itsy weenie tiny knife.

 

[LondonJohn]

From the genius of Harryrag:

There aren't any plausible innocent explanations for Meredith's DNA being lodged in a microscopic blade on the knife

Apparently Steffy discovered an itsy weenie tiny knife.

The Machine also curiously neglects to mention that by every agreed scientific standard, Meredith Kercher's DNA was not discovered on the blade of Sollecito's kitchen knife.

A strange omission, I'm sure you'd agree....

 

[Grinder]

Let's put it this way. Bruce Fisher drives a Ferrari thanks to the supertanker; Patrick King drives a '67 Rambler. Seriously, what is an
"FOA type?" This is getting ridiculous.

So you know him and he isn't a good shill ?

Look I know you don't think it is important for people to know the connections but you and a few otehrs have direct relationships with the defense efforts.

I use FOA as general description. Pat King has been posting pro Amanda stuff from near the beginning. Didn't you know that?

I notice the whenever this comes up we get über hyperbole such as the Ferrari remark above or CIA connections to get Frank into Canada.

Put "amanda knox" "patrick king" into Google and get 250,000 hits.

Top hit:This book is a well-documented, albeit a short-and-to-the-point synopsis of what happened to Amanda Knox and her friend, Raffaele Sollecito, after Knox' housemate was murdered in 2007. Unlike Candace Dempsey's MURDER IN ITALY, the justifiably award winning, in depth study of the events leading to the crime, the crime itself, and the trials of Rudy Guede, Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito, THE AMANDA KNOX STORY: A MURDER IN PERUGIA, focuses on Amanda Knox, her childhood in Seattle, Washington, her athletic and scholastic achievements, her work ethic,and her short time of freedom in Perugia, Italy, before the murder of Meredith Kercher. It then goes on to examine what happened to her after the crime, the so-called witnesses against her, and the reasoning of the police and prosecutor that brought about a miscarriage of justice.



Second hit: Unfortunately, I have to agree with you. Alain. The Kercher family has taken the natural empathy due them as victims and shattered it. Why are they not the least bit interested in Rudy Guede, the only person unquestionably involved in the death of their daughter? Instead they obsess on a woman who, by all evidence, was not even there at the time of the crime, and had she been, she too would likely have been murdered. Because people are victims it does not follow that they are intelligent. Perhaps the contrary is more often the reality.

He's an extremely prolific PIP. Is that more to your liking? Shorthand - FOA.

 

[Grinder]

The Machine also curiously neglects to mention that by every agreed scientific standard, Meredith Kercher's DNA was not discovered on the blade of Sollecito's kitchen knife.

A strange omission, I'm sure you'd agree....

LJ it was a microscopic blade. How much DNA could be on it? God you know nothing, dude. Contamination must be proven as per Novelli!!!!!!!

 

[Matthew Best]

He's an extremely prolific PIP. Is that more to your liking? Shorthand - FOA.

Says the person with nearly 4,000 posts on this one subject.

 

[Strozzi]

All the stuff about Guede's upbringing and alleged character is no more than peripheral to the question of his guilt in the murder.

"Poor Rudy" - G. Mignini

 

[Mary_H]

<snip>In fact, given the jury demographics, it's probable that most of them at least knew someone (or even many) who'd been abused by their male partner, yet was still alive.<snip>

Whoa. Dude. That's a bit of a leap.

 

[LondonJohn]

Whoa. Dude. That's a bit of a leap.

http://www.pluralism.org/affiliates/sered/Jordan.pdf

One out of every three adult women experiences at least one physical assault by an intimate partner during adulthood.

and

African Americans experience domestic violence at a high rate in comparison to their numerical representation in the population.

and

Intra-family violence rates have been found to be higher for African American families than for any other racial group

Plenty of other research has been done into this sensitive area, with very similar findings.

Like it or not, it's reality I'm afraid........

 

[Mary_H]

http://www.pluralism.org/affiliates/sered/Jordan.pdf

and

and

Plenty of other research has been done into this sensitive area, with very similar findings.

Like it or not, it's reality I'm afraid........

I would change "it's probable that most of them" to "it's possible that some of them." Keeping in mind that the same can be said of any demographic.

Now that I think about it, I wonder if the attorneys allowed anyone with history and/or knowledge of domestic abuse into the jury.

 

[Mary_H]

This nails it. Although I think my point actually is that we are not psychiatrists, we're at best amateur sleuths. We haven't interviewed Rudy, and given the fact that much of the information that denigrates Amanda unfairly and very often fictionally, can we really count on what we have heard about Rudy is not that backwards logic and creations in people's mind?

Rudy's background is pertinent because of the criminality, but also if there is any history of any violent incidents, even, for example, playground fights. Statistically, it is much more likely for someone to commit murder if there is any violence in their background, whereas, conversely, it is highly unlikely for someone with zero history of violence to commit murder.

This is one area where it actually is valuable to look at compatibility.

 

[Mary_H]

<snip>It's like he's claiming that a flood of water recently happened on a city street. There's actually no sign at all of flooding.

Yet he wants to get you to look at the shape of the street - which perhaps could channel a flood down its avenues, and after all there are water mains buried beneath. So, let's face it - the street is compatible with the idea that there could have been flooding in it.

So call out disaster services and go rescue the merchants and tenants of apartments along that street!!!!<snip>

Love this, Bill.

 

[Mary_H]

<snip>In fact, all of the verbiage putatively clarifying Italy's laws and customs has served as so much obfuscation - and has been doing so for *years* ad nauseam, on this and other sites - resolutely following the admonition "If you cannot dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with BS."<snip>

I find this to be true of everyone who represents the case for guilt in Italy. There are strong tendencies to backtrack, change horses in midstream, cloud issues, and deny previous claims. Machiavelli probably can't clarify the laws because the laws themselves are so much obfuscation.

It's like arguing with a child who doesn't want to go to bed. He knows he is going to have to go to bed eventually, but the longer you allow him to argue, the longer he gets to stay up. We have been "marshmallow" parents that way.

 

[acbytesla]

Rudy's background is pertinent because of the criminality, but also if there is any history of any violent incidents, even, for example, playground fights. Statistically, it is much more likely for someone to commit murder if there is any violence in their background, whereas, conversely, it is highly unlikely for someone with zero history of violence to commit murder.

This is one area where it actually is valuable to look at compatibility.

I do think his background is important but some of the anecdotal stories such as he danced through Meredith's moment of silence and that he smelled. This makes be believe that they have as much chance of being fiction and exaggeration as fact.

 

[Mary_H]

Back in 2008, a woman from New Zealand posted as Oceania on Candace's blog and on some other boards. Her son spent some time in Perugia and knew Guede. You might be thinking of him. Patrick King is well past his collegiate years.

The son-in-law of the PMF Math Lady (whose name I can't bring to mind at the moment) also knew Rudy in Perugia.

 

[Mary_H]

So you know him and he isn't a good shill ?

Look I know you don't think it is important for people to know the connections but you and a few otehrs have direct relationships with the defense efforts.

"Defense efforts" covers a lot of territory. Raffaele thanked a lot of people in the acknowledgements at the end of his book, including Patrick King on page 265, but I think for the most part these are just people who made their names known to Raffaele by writing to him or meeting him.

Not to be especially snarky, but I think if most innocence supporters had direct relationships with the defense attorneys, the defense efforts would have been much stronger than they have been.

I use FOA as general description. Pat King has been posting pro Amanda stuff from near the beginning. Didn't you know that?

I notice the whenever this comes up we get über hyperbole such as the Ferrari remark above or CIA connections to get Frank into Canada.

Put "amanda knox" "patrick king" into Google and get 250,000 hits.

He's an extremely prolific PIP. Is that more to your liking? Shorthand - FOA.

FOA shouldn't be used as a general description. I understand it to be a small group that isn't really much of a group anymore. Most supporters were never in FOA. Patrick King is just a guy who writes online, like most of the rest of us.

 

[LondonJohn]

I would change "it's probable that most of them" to "it's possible that some of them." Keeping in mind that the same can be said of any demographic.

Now that I think about it, I wonder if the attorneys allowed anyone with history and/or knowledge of domestic abuse into the jury.

You might find this interesting (it took me 17 seconds to search for and find it online....):

http://law2.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/simpson/jurypage.html

five (of the final jury) thought it was sometimes appropriate to use force on a family member

I certainly don't want to get bogged down on this matter. But I'm afraid that the sad fact is that a significant proportion of the Simpson jury were indeed familiar with spousal abuse (and according to this, five of them said it was sometimes appropriate to use force on a family member!).

I don't know what preconceptions you may or may not have on this issue, but I suspect you might need to set them aside in favour of the facts, as unpalatable as those facts might be. This is categorically NOT about any agenda (and especially not an agenda with racial undertones). It's about the available facts and evidence. You know: like we do with the Knox/Sollecito case.......

 

[billyryan]

The son-in-law of the PMF Math Lady (whose name I can't bring to mind at the moment) also knew Rudy in Perugia.

Thoughtful I think is her name she still posts on PMF

 

[Grinder]

Says the person with nearly 4,000 posts on this one subject.

Are you speaking to the issue or the speaker? I didn't write a story for Ground Report without letting people know extreme bias.

 

[Mary_H]

<snip>Forgive me, but is a "sexual meeting" one where people are planning sex, having sex, talking about sex, planning to talk about having sex, or what?

It might be something like Sexual Healing. This is what they say when they get there:

Get up, Get up, Get up, Get up, let's make love tonight
Wake up, Wake up, Wake up, Wake up, 'cos you do it right