Continuation Part Six: Discussion of the Amanda Knox/Raffaele Sollecito case

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Serious question, Machiavelli.

If a victim of crime has no possibility (realistically) of receiving the cash payout of a court decision, can the victim petition the Italian government for the amount?
 
I think more important than her scholarly endeavors is the fact that it seems as if Amanda had lots of friends and no one who knew Amanda in Seattle had a bad word to say about her.


That's only because of the PR super tanker squelching all dissent
 
One of the things that got me angry about this is the sexist view of many posters. Women have sex, get over it. As has been said she seems no different from most college students. In my personal experience, women going off abroad on sandwich years take advantage of a certain anonymity.

I look at the comments about AK sex life, and I think swap this for a guy would anyone have said this? Secondly so what? Actually all this proves is she was singularly vanilla. At first opportunity she settled down with a sweet guy.

One of the reasons that there may be few women is that we find these discussions offensive.

I think the lack of action by Italian authorities to appropriately investigate issues raised by this case is scandalous. The false HIV test and leaking of sexual history should be investigated. False negative tests with HIV are incredibly rare, so this must have been a lie. The normal process is a screening test is done on the first blood test, this does have a rate of false negatives, if the first test is positive a second test would be performed on the same blood sample that is highly specific. Only if both tests were positive would a presumptive positive report be reported and a second blood test requested, (catches mislabelled samples). In the UK the doctor / nurse involved would almost certainly have been struck off.


Thank God!!
 
That's only because of the PR super tanker squelching all dissent


Rumour has it that they're going to remake that recent "Captain Phillips" movie, which starred Tom Hanks as the captain of a super-container ship that's hijacked in the Indian Ocean.

It's going to be called "Captain Marriott", with legendary British actor Brian Blessed playing the role of Marriott. In the movie, the ship's crew bravely fight off an attempted boarding by a small, badly-armed bunch of weird, lonely, obsessive bandits. Needless to say, in an upbeat ending the ship reaches its final destination and Marriott is accorded a hero's welcome.

:p
 
I think more important than her scholarly endeavors is the fact that it seems as if Amanda had lots of friends and no one who knew Amanda in Seattle had a bad word to say about her.

That's only because of the PR super tanker squelching all dissent
This is true. Gogerty-Marriott have set up checkpoints at all roads leading into Seattle, checking for copies of Barbie's book, or of John Follain's "A Death in Italy."

Internet filters exist for the whole State of Washington erasing Machiavelli's rants before they can pollute innocent minds.
 
There has been a trial. And there are news reports about it.


Then the evidence, if it exists, should be documented and you should have no difficulty locating it. So far all you are doing is repeating crap and not contributing to a better understanding of the truth.
 
The fact is that she had his number and he had hers. They also had telephone contacts. Whatever you like to make up about it, these are the facts. If you are saying they got each other’s number through their agents…

There really are entirely too many drug dealers in Perugia. It's difficult to meet someone who's not a druggie of some sort.

List of people on drugs:
Kercher
4 boys downstairs (pot growers)
Romanelli
Curatalo
Nara (some kind of make-you-pee drug)
Sollecito
Guede

Jeesh.
 
Look, I don't recall his name (their names, actually, since it was a trial against three drug dealers), but I know his attorneys. He dealt with cocaine.

Is this the guy who was dealing cocaine to the cops? You know, the ones who were caught on camera talking about needing some coke while they were searching the cottage?
 
and she chose Perugia also because there was a ‘university’ (the University of Foreigneers) which she could attend without any academic arrangement. Something she could not easily do elsewhere.

This is nonsense. She obviously would get credits for her study abroad or else she wouldn't be studying there. You don't just cutout of school for a whole semester and study without getting credit toward your degree.
 
This is nonsense. She obviously would get credits for her study abroad or else she wouldn't be studying there. You don't just cutout of school for a whole semester and study without getting credit toward your degree.


As a slight aside related to this point, one of the very early newspaper reports I linked to the other day (when I was illustrating how Guede could have received hyperbolised information about the crime scene via the media while he was on the run in Germany) had a quote from an Erasmus Programme administrator.

The quote was to the effect that Meredith was in Perugia under Erasmus funding, but that she was not on a proper Erasmus programme. Of course, it may have been either a misquote or an incorrect statement from the Erasmus spokesman - but either way, I thought it was marginally interesting.

I'll try and dig it up (the article and the quote).
 
Chris posted the news article about the drug dealer(s) almost 3 years ago. The names of the dealers were not released. There was no evidence presented confirming the phone calls and these would be irrelevant in the trial of the dealers years after Meredith's murder. An interesting side note is that the boys downstairs had been charged with dealing drugs. What ever became of that? Coincidence?
 
That's only because of the PR super tanker squelching all dissent

You can't be serious. Its a PR firm, not the mafia. And the press has already proven that it is willing to print pretty much every unsubstantiated lie.
 
This is nonsense. She obviously would get credits for her study abroad or else she wouldn't be studying there. You don't just cutout of school for a whole semester and study without getting credit toward your degree.

This is true. It is part of the Study Abroad Program at UW and there has been an arrangement between the two schools for more than a dozen years.
 
There really are entirely too many drug dealers in Perugia. It's difficult to meet someone who's not a druggie of some sort.

List of people on drugs:
Kercher
4 boys downstairs (pot growers)
Romanelli
Curatalo
Nara (some kind of make-you-pee drug)
Sollecito
Guede

Jeesh.

You forgot Laura. Throw a stone in Perugia and you will find a buyer and a seller.
 
Have you seen the recent stuf which suggests that if victims cannot get their cash awards from the convicted, that they can sue the Italian government to get access to funds? It explains Maresca.... he knows that convicted criminals rarely can pay off the enormous cash awards made.... he probably thinks the people of Italy are going to, in the end, pay him off!
Interesting, I wonder why Patrick Lumumba hasn’t exercised this option?
 
Interesting, I wonder why Patrick Lumumba hasn’t exercised this option?

Yeah, gee, instead he is continuing to run up legal bills. With a final judgment in place, just what exactly is his argument at this point? That Knox should pay more damages so that Lumumba can have a lawyer in court to call Knox names in her murder trial? It's farcical.
 
Yes, plural. Because, maybe it's wrong in English, but in Italian we use plural in sentences when a single case is taken as sample case.

We're conversing in English. Don't lean on Italian grammar to pretend there was ever anything in Amanda's record but a single noise ticket for a single party.

When you go to study at university.
But if you are not studying a university course, you can't be a honor student. Elementary.

This makes no sense, sorry. Amanda was enrolled at a university in Perugia, and she was earning credits toward her degree while there.

I don’t suggest, I talk plainly

Ah, but that's false. See below.

: Knox left a job at the Bundestag after one day of work, which left her uncle dismayed. That was a very prestigious post for a 20 year old, a job he had struggled to manage to get her. She drifted away after one day, and she admitted she staged with her uncle (crying etc.) basically she manipulated his feelings so that he wouldn’t create further problems. It’s not a suggestion, is a fact; something she wrote herself.

This is a strange interpretation of what she wrote. She staged things? She manipulated his feelings? She was concerned that he would create "further problems"? You are suggesting things about her character and motivations that you can't possibly know, while ignoring the many people who have described her as honest and hardworking. This is not talking plainly, at least as I understand the phrase. It's assuming defamatory knowledge and applying it after the fact.

Yes I am suggesting she went to Peruga because she knew it was a party town (somethinh is widely known in Europe, and that we can reasonably infer she knew about from exchange students accounts, since Perugia was twinned with Seattle , and she chose Perugia also because there was a ‘university’ (the University of Foreigneers) which she could attend without any academic arrangement. Something she could not easily do elsewhere.

Again with the defamatory assumptions. Everyone in Seattle doesn't know everything about all the sister cities our government has made arrangements to "twin" with. I never heard of Perugia before this case, for example, and I have a couple of degrees from the University of Washington, have sent two daughters to study abroad, and have lived here for 25 years. Why do you keep accusing Amanda of not being interested in pursuing her studies? She clearly was enrolled, going to her classes, and doing her homework. What is it that she should have done differently to prove herself a student to your satisfaction?

But he changed her tasks, he sent her outside his pub to give leaflets. I am in fact correctly reporting sources: Lumumba himself made such declarations about Amanda, and the fact that he didn’t fire her (yet) does not make these facts go away. So they are facts not propaganda. Moreover, a bit of a context: this is Italy, here you don’t fire people from job in one day. Bosses operate much more cuatiously here.

I'm sorry, but you're only correctly reporting what Lumumba said as opposed to what Amanda said. You believe him, though he has changed his story about events much more drastically than she ever did. This is not logical.

The fact is that she had his number and he had hers. They also had telephone contacts. Whatever you like to make up about it, these are the facts. If you are saying they got each other’s number through their agents…

Is this an example of plain speech? You're clearly implying that Amanda was buying drugs, but you don't actually say so. I call that defamatory.

I think it’s quite the other way round: she called first, then he called back. But it doesn’t matter anyway. Everybody has the right to think whatever they want about those phone contacts. Fact is she had phone numbers of drug dealers (indefinite Italian plural, which can well refer to one single case), a drug dealer had her phone number , she had contacts with a drug dealer. I don’t have phone numbers of drug dealers so it’s not me the person who may be asked to give explanations about it. Those are factual elements, and everybody is allowed to take these element in account when they draw scenarios about Amanda Knox.

Sorry, but I still don't understand what it is you're claiming to know. Was it one drug dealer or many? Was it one instance of contact or many? Your much renowned ability to think clearly is failing you, sir. When you begin with a false impression ("party girl") you're bound to end up in many cul de sacs, which is what's happened in this conversation. You start with "party girl", and then try to interpret all sorts of facts as if they're evidence that led you there. This is not clear thinking.

PS: you may also not forget that she recalls about this "beautiful" black men that she met in Perugia, at a bar in Via Garibaldi. To whom she promised they would meet again when she would be back from Germany. And, that she never revealed the name of this black man, whose identity was never discovered.

And you believe this was Guede, the murderer? Why?

You may also take in account that Rudy Guede would spend his afternoons at the basketball court in Piazza Grimana, the centre of which is 60 meters distant from the University of Foreigneers' gate, and 96 meters distant from the apartment house-door where Knox lived. And it located exactly between the two places, on the way Amanda walked every day back and forth several times to attend classes.

And from this you conclude that . . . ? The party girl, non-student, drifter, drug-using flirt of your fantasy must have known Guede much better than she has admitted? Is that what you're implying? Maybe that fantasy girl did. But shouldn't there be evidence that the actual Amanda did, beyond that they were in proximity?

And don't forget Rudy explained he was sexually attracted by Knox, as all testimonies confirmed, and Amanda admitted she knew him for time before she knew Guede.

What? Rudy is Guede. Also, so what? Has anyone said that she was attracted to him? Wouldn't these same testimonies be likely to include that detail, if Amanda was the sort of woman you keep insinuating she is? Logic, please.

Let's say it's a number a coincidences. But don't forget about them.

Your coincidences are not convincing. So many of them flow from your imaginings about this young woman that it's hard to take you seriously. I'd stick with the tack of obfuscating DNA evidence if I were you.
 
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