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After a week, I get only two answers: one is "A", and the other one is "11". I might point out that, although both answers are invalid, they're nevertheless both related to "1" (and not "5" for example).

Apart from "A" being the first letter of the alphabet, and "11" having two ones in it, and you have already suggested in this very thread that this could mean "2", you really are making this up as you go along.

Perhaps, if I want to do a serious telepathy project, I must say this.

So, now you are saying that none of your three telepathy tests in this forum have been serious? How about trying one serious one with proper controls, instead of trolling members of this Board?

Norm
 
OK, let me take an example. I ask you to guess a one-digit number, equal to 1, or 2, or 3, or 4, or 5, or 6, or 7, or 8, or 9. The target (produced by the random number generator) is 1. After a week, I get only two answers: one is "A", and the other one is "11". I might point out that, although both answers are invalid, they're nevertheless both related to "1" (and not "5" for example). Perhaps, if I want to do a serious telepathy project, I must say this.
11 is related to one in the symbols it uses perhaps, but (in case what I said earlier flew by unnoticed) numerically, "1" turns out to be the only positive integer that it can never be. In all number bases 11 represents one more than the number base. In base 1 it is 2, in 2 it is 3, in base 16 it is 17, and if there were reason to invent a base 73 it would be 74.
 
Of the six answers which have both a credibility rating and a corresponding answer sent to me, two picked the right answer. 25% chance is 1.5, so this is not outwith the number expected by chance.
I note that Michel has yet to comment on this result, which is clearly negative for his telepathy hypothesis.

The right answers were given a credibility rating of respectively -5 and 0. No participant in this second test, whether their answer was correct or not, was given a credibility rating of greater than zero. One right and two wrong answers were given the highest credibility rating of zero.

In the first test, when Michel had unblinded answers to assess, all the correct answers were given credibility ratings of 8. Wrong answers were given credibility ratings of between -10 and -1; no person giving a wrong answer received a positive credibility rating.

This strongly suggests that, despite his protestations to the contrary, his credibility ratings in previous tests were influenced by his knowledge of whether the person whose credibility he was assessing had guessed the correct number. Michel is again yet to comment on this finding of his experiment.
 
OK, let me take an example. I ask you to guess a one-digit number, equal to 1, or 2, or 3, or 4, or 5, or 6, or 7, or 8, or 9. The target (produced by the random number generator) is 1. After a week, I get only two answers: one is "A", and the other one is "11". I might point out that, although both answers are invalid, they're nevertheless both related to "1" (and not "5" for example). Perhaps, if I want to do a serious telepathy project, I must say this.
Naturally, if you were to take this approach, you'd have to specify in the protocol (i.e. before the test) precisely which rules, procedures, or transformations could be applied to the answers for them to be considered valid.

You would also have to show, in advance, that the application of such rules, procedures, or transformations would give an equal distribution of valid answers. You'd probably be better explicitly listing every valid answer.
 
OK, let me take an example. I ask you to guess a one-digit number, equal to 1, or 2, or 3, or 4, or 5, or 6, or 7, or 8, or 9. The target (produced by the random number generator) is 1. After a week, I get only two answers: one is "A", and the other one is "11". I might point out that, although both answers are invalid, they're nevertheless both related to "1" (and not "5" for example). Perhaps, if I want to do a serious telepathy project, I must say this.

No, if you were conducting a serious experiment (in the sense of that can be taken seriously by innocent bystanders), the discussion ends at "invalid".

That's it.

That entry is invalid, and whatever the reasons are for its being invalid, that is where any further discussion about that entry is at best pointless, and will, at worst, harm the outcome of the experiment.

Here, the latter is the case: Your little exercise is worthless. Even if 6 out of 6 people had guessed the correct number, their chances of doing so were just slightly worse than 1 in 4000. Can I predict 12 coinflips in a row? Sure - if i spend a week flipping coins...

But pointless as it is, if there was a strong effect, we would expect a very rare result. And we didn't see one. And you failed to accept and admit that.
 
Not counted as a 1 (neither eleventy nor 11 are valid answers in this test), but it is true that 11 is also closely related to 1, since it contains two 1s, and I might perhaps have mentioned it at the end of a qualitative analysis. I don't find the relationship between 11 and 3 (or 4) so obvious, even though the binary number 11 is equal to decimal 3 (but this doesn't seem so obvious to me).

'Rigorous method'. When are you going to start applying this method?
 
Analysis of the results

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Unblinding the guesses:

Hokulele: CR=0
Hokulele's actual answer: "The first number that came to my attention is 1, so that is my choice for this test."

Ladewig: CR=-5
Ladewig's actual answer: "I concentrated on the assigned task and an image of a brightly lit piece of paper appeared, the circled number on it was 2."

stanfr: CR=-5
stanfr's actual answer: "I like number 1 cause it's the first thing I thought of."

Kid Eager: CR=-5
Kid Eager's actual answer: "Please note number 4 for moi!"

fagin: CR=-4
fagin did not send me his/her guess.

Femke: CR=0
Femke's actual answer: "I think you wrote 2 in your circle."

gabeygoat: CR=0
gabeygoat's actual answer: "guessed 4 de4f022d0deba6911bedf9a0350256aa"
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First of all, I would like to thank Agatha for posting quickly all (actual) answers she received, only about one hour after I sent her a message asking her to do so. If you have participated in this test, and you find any discrepancy between the answer you sent to Agatha and the answer (by you) she posted, please say it.

1) Hokulele's masked (with "xx") answer was:
The first number that came to my attention is xx, so that is my choice for this test.
The (full) answer she sent to Agatha was (see above):
The first number that came to my attention is 1, so that is my choice for this test.
These two answers (masked and actual) appear to agree with each other, to be compatible. She provided no MD5 hash, but I decided in post #127 (before I knew which answers were correct) that this would be only a minor and acceptable violation (it might even be viewed as an improvement) of the protocol of this test , and that the corresponding answers should be still considered as valid. I see three reasons for this. First, sending answers to the "referee" (the person you have to refer to, to know the actual answer) Agatha, already provides substantial protection with respect to the risk of guessed numbers being altered after I have revealed the target (and/or credibility ratings); adding an additional layer of protection may not be absolutely indispensable. Secondly, as remarked by Agatha in post #15 (I responded in post #17), my initial protocol contained a serious weakness (almost an error actually), because, if answerers provide both their masked (or blinded) answer, and the MD5 hash of their actual answers, I can find out their guessed number (although I probably wouldn't do it) by trying xx = 1, or 2, or 3, or 4, until the corresponding hash is identical with the provided hash (I corrected this "error" in post #17). I cannot reasonably blame people for not following a flawed protocol (participants in the test could have followed my revised procedure in post #17, but this is perhaps a little too complicated for many of you, who perhaps don't have time to read (carefully) all posts of the thread). Thirdly, of the seven forum members who gave answers which were found valid in post #127 above, only one (stanfr) provided a MD5 hash. But stanfr did not reveal the sentence used to produce this hash, so it is not useful.

2) Ladewig's blinded answer was:
I concentrated on the assigned task and an image of a brightly lit piece of paper appeared, the circled number on it was xx.
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His actual answer:
I concentrated on the assigned task and an image of a brightly lit piece of paper appeared, the circled number on it was 2.
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OK
3) stanfr's blinded answer:
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the number i came up with is ##

what's the point? what does my statement have to do with credibility?
As many have pointed out, your protocol is flawed. If I said for example:

I chose ## because that is the number most mentalists will chose.

How is this going to do anything to demonstrate 'telepathy'? All it will test is how versed you are in mentailism.
His actual answer:
I like number 1 cause it's the first thing I thought of.
Here, there is a problem: the text stanfr posted in the thread is different from the text he sent to Agatha. I said, in the opening post:
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It may also be useful (I recommend it) that you send your (full) answer, in the form of a private message, to either Agatha, or Femke...
I recommended participants send their full answers to Agatha or Femke, not a different answer obviously. I believe sending a different answer to the referee is a serious violation of the protocol of this test, because the credibility rating I gave to the masked answer (with "xx") is not necessarily valid for the "actual" answer in such a case.

4) Kid Eager's blinded response:
The last time I partcipated in this guessing game I was accused of being in a mental institution and therefore my response was invalid.

I'm now in a high-sided elastic banjo with an eskimo parasol, so rest assured that my response is both fluffy and perky.

The number I'm seeing is XX.
His actual response:
Please note number 4 for moi!
Here, I am facing the same problem as with stanfr above: the answer with "xx" provided in the thread is different from the answer sent to (and posted by) Agatha. If Kid Eager had sent to Agatha the message: "Please note number 4 for me!" ("moi" is the French word which means "me" in English), one might argue that this message is simple, normal and serious-sounding, and that sending such a message should not be considered as a (serious) violation of the protocol. But Kid Eager sent an odd combination of English and French, with a possible emphasis on himself (note incidentally that "moi" is 50% longer than "me").

5) Femke answered:
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I think you wrote xx in your circle.
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while her actual, complete answer was:
I think you wrote 2 in your circle.
Here, there is again perfect agreement between the blinded answer and the full answer, so this answer is valid.

6) gabeygoat answered:
I'm gonna guess xx
not sure what im doing
while his actual answer was:
guessed 4 de4f022d0deba6911bedf9a0350256aa
Here again, for the third time in this test, there is a discrepancy between the blinded answer (with "xx") posted in the thread, and the actual answer sent to Agatha.

If I consider only, in my final analysis of the results, the answers by members of this forum who abided by the recommended protocol (note: not providing a MD5 hash is not considered here as a serious violation, for the reasons explained at the beginning of this post), then there are only three valid answers: those by Hokulele, Ladewig and Femke. Hokulele's (numerical) answer (1) is incorrect, while Ladewig's and Femke's answer are correct (a special thank you to them). This means the the final rate of correct answers in this test is equal to 2/3 = 66.7%.

This correct answer rate is much higher than the (approximately) 25% expected from chance alone, and seems to support my telepathy hypothesis (the assumption that I have a propensity to communicate my thoughts to others everywhere on the surface of this planet).

The probability of obtaining a hit rate equal to, or larger than 2/3 (if chance alone is responsible for the results, and assuming a probability of 25% of answering correctly), called the p-value, is equal to: p = 15.6%. This is not statistically significant, because of the smallness of the sample (3 valid answers only). This means that a test like this one would have to be repeated several times, and with favorable outcomes, before a safe conclusion about the existence of telepathy can be drawn.

If I give a credibility rating of CR=-10 to all answerers who sent to Agatha an answer different from the one they posted in the thread (except, of course, for the replacement of the guessed number by "xx"), the average CR for those who answered (numerically) correctly is:
CR = (-5 + 0)/2 = -2.5, while the average CR for those who provided incorrect numerical answers is:
CR= (0 - 10 - 10 -10)/4 = -7.5.

This seems to confirm the finding I reported at the end of my previous test, namely that that (numerically) incorrect answers tend to be less credible.
 
"If I throw out all the wrong answers for spurious reasons, I get results greater than chance!"
 
I wish somebody had taken the time to explain all the unwritten rules that get used to exclude answers - I would have stayed monolingual if I had known it was that important!
 
This seems to confirm the finding I reported at the end of my previous test, namely that that (numerically) incorrect answers tend to be less credible.


No, it confirms the finding that everyone else reported at the end of your previous test, namely that you don't have a clue what you're doing.
 
I recommended participants send their full answers to Agatha or Femke, not a different answer obviously. I believe sending a different answer to the referee is a serious violation of the protocol of this test, because the credibility rating I gave to the masked answer (with "xx") is not necessarily valid for the "actual" answer in such a case.

If you were going to disqualify answers based on this criteria, why didn't you say so in your protocol? You said that

It may also be useful (I recommend it) that you send your (full) answer, in the form of a private message, to either Agatha, or Femke, or to both

If participants were required to match their public posting with their private posting exactly, why didn't you say so?

Honestly, you clearly failed the test as designed by you. What does that tell you?
 
So if the public and private text don't match as you just recommended, the answer is invalid, but if the MD5 that you asked for as part of the protocol, and went to some lengths to explain the importance of, is missing, well that's only a 'minor and acceptable violation' or even 'an improvement'...?

Sorry Mike, the protocol is the protocol. Either it's followed, or the answer must be rejected.
 
...If you were going to disqualify answers based on this criteria, why didn't you say so in your protocol? You said that
It may also be useful (I recommend it) that you send your (full) answer, in the form of a private message, to either Agatha, or Femke, or to both
If participants were required to match their public posting with their private posting exactly, why didn't you say so?
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TheSapient, I am a little bit surprised by your comment. If people (as I recommended) send their full answers to Agatha, and also post publicly their answers in this thread, after having replaced their guessed numbers by "xx", then automatically the two texts are almost identical (this fact is already implied by the recommended protocol). However, if I do a more or less similar test again, I think I'll stress the importance of sending to the referee exactly your answer (and not a different one) [unless, of course, I make another change to the protocol, which hopefully will be well understood].
 
So if the public and private text don't match as you just recommended, the answer is invalid...
Well, nobody can prevent me to retain, in my final (statistical) analysis of the results, only the answers by members of this forum who abided by the recommended protocol. The fact I got a better result by doing so seems to confirm the validity of credibility ideas I have tried to develop before: careful people, who take the time necessary to carefully read the opening post, seem to answer better. I think I have already explained in great detail why no MD5 hash was not a disqualifying factor.
 
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I didnt even see Hokulele's response until now. So, clearly i'm psychic since i came up the same silly response (either that, or brilliant minds think alike! :cool:) The point i was making is that any dimwit can correctly figure that my number was 1 from the fact that my statement highlights "first". Amazingly, Michel still thought Hokulele picked '2' :rolleyes:
 
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