Continuation Part Six: Discussion of the Amanda Knox/Raffaele Sollecito case

[MDDVS]

the vibrator is relevant because the English friends said Meredith told them about that and she didn't like it. the point is there was tension b//t Meredith and Miss Knox.

given this was a sexual crime it isn't irrelevant that Knox is extremely sexual.

Do friends of Amanda monitor this website? Seems like a lot of new people popping up on here. hopefully I won't get a horse head in my bed. lol

Extremely sexual because she had a vibrator? Is this for real? Do you know the meaning of word "extreme"?

 

[snook1]

Or better, does he know that a vibrator isn't exactly a tool that proves someone is "extremely sexual"?

Let's focus on PGP that to date provided zero explanation or a plausible scenario involving Guede, Knox and Sollecito in a violent sex crime during which Knox and Sollecito didn't leave their traces in the room, while Guede's DNA was on (yes,on) and inside Meredith's body, his footprints and fingerprints were left in her blood and his DNA was on her purse. Nothing. We have nothing from them.

 

[GreyFox]

That's (Rudy) Hermann for ya ! All about himself. No real reason for him to say anything on the night MK died other than to rally support for himself.

 

[snook1]

What was even more horrible is that the show started around 21:15 Perugia time. It was almost the same exact time (6 years earlier) that he attacked Meredith.

 

[acbytesla]

tesla

I think the roommates testified to this, and Meredith's English friends. It had to come from somewhere because Mignini talked about it.

I think Knox's vibrator she kept out in the open in the bathroom annoyed and weirded out Meredith. Remember Knox even made a statement about the vibrator in her murder trial. That had to be a first in a murder trial.

In fact Geoffrey, the roommates DID NOT testify to that. AT ALL. They testified to the fact that there was no animosity at all that they knew of between Amanda and Meredith. You're confusing things that were written in tabloids that were attributed to Robin and Sophie. Not one of the roommates testified that Meredith was weirded out about the vibrator.

Now Mignini was probably weirded out. That part was probably true. But he's a moron. So there you are, with another unsubstantiated rumor from the Daily Mail. How typical.

For your information.

• Meredith was the girl having sex all the time with the boys downstairs. Meredith was the girl with the Brazilian wax job. Meredith was the girl, that was having anal sex.
• Meredith was the girl who partied so hard the night before, she still had alcohol in her system when she died.
• Meredith was the girl that accompanied Amanda to the chocolate festival just days before.
• Meredith drew a fake tattoo on Amanda for Halloween.

You see Geoffrey, there is a difference between reading the tabloids or the idiots over at PMF. Here you get to talk about EVIDENCE, not HEARSAY.

 

[acbytesla]

I think most will disagree there is "NO EVIDENCE" Knox/ raff were there. Actually more evidence than they had for O J SImpson.

You apparently never followed the OJ Simpson case.

 

[GreyFox]

well, you are leaving out the fact she left it out in the open in the bathroom, which you could say was meant to intimidate Meredith. that is pretty weird, I'd say.

but it is more than the vibrator, she's obviously having lots of sex, supposedly meridith didn't like knox always having random men over at the house.

You see ..Exactly my point. Go take a cold shower. No one else cares about these twisted fantasy's. It's her body , her sex life, her vibrator. Why are you getting all worked up about it. Is it turning you on ? It's evidence of nothing.

Rudy claims to have first date sex with MK while her boyfriend was away. I don't see you discussing that ?

 

[GreyFox]

Think if we say "Satanic Rite" it will change his tune...ruin the mood Ewwww. Seems to be the hot button these days.

 

[acbytesla]

well this is a lie. mixed blood Meredith/knox, raffe's dna on the bra clasp, their footprints exposed by luminol, raffe's bllody print on the mat in the bathroom, Amanda's lamp on the floor in victim's bedroom, evidence of a cleanup, etc.

this doesn't even get into Knox's contradicting statements

Keep printing these lies Geoffrey. There is no mixed blood and you know it. The Luminol footprints were NOT from blood. The bloody print on the bath mat cannot be matched to anyone and is more likely to be a match to Rudy. The lamp of course is proof of NOTHING. And of course, there was no cleanup.

The only thing the prosecution has is Raffe's DNA on the bra clasp. Along with the 3 other men who's DNA appeared on the bra clasp. The bra clasp that was not collected with the other evidence....but was collected 46 days later and passed around between the different cops wearing dirty gloves and also handled by Steff with her bare hands, also left in a plastic bag so it could rust.

I guess you got that.

 

[MDDVS]

well this is a lie. mixed blood Meredith/knox, raffe's dna on the bra clasp, their footprints exposed by luminol, raffe's bllody print on the mat in the bathroom, Amanda's lamp on the floor in victim's bedroom, evidence of a cleanup, etc.

this doesn't even get into Knox's contradicting statements

There's no mixed blood. The DNA is obviously contamination. The fooprints are unrelated to the crime. Sometimes they're not even footprints at all but amorphous blobs. The bloody print can't really be safely attributed to anyone. What about the lamp? Where's the evidence of a cleanup? All I can see is blood everywhere. Maybe you're using a different definition of clean, the same you were doing with the word extreme.

Just to note for the nth time that a cleanup would certainly leave evidence behind (streak marks) that wasn't found in this case. The claim is ludicrous anyway, since we can see bloody footprints (made by Guede) so there was no cleanup.

 

[MDDVS]

was it necessary for you to talk about Meredith in such a way? poor form

i don't think the roommates and the English friends had good things to say about knox in their testimonies, b/c Knox commented on that in one of her statements to the court.

Newsflash for you "Goeffrey", sex is not shameful, is not dirty, is not a sin.

 

[MDDVS]

I bet those defense lawyers wish they could just say there is no evidence, and that is it. lol how was she convicted the first time if no evidence. let's try to stay real here.

You ask the right question, unfortunately you are unable or unwilling to give the correct answer.

 

[GreyFox]

was it necessary for you to talk about Meredith in such a way? poor form

i don't think the roommates and the English friends had good things to say about knox in their testimonies, b/c Knox commented on that in one of her statements to the court.

They weren't Knox's friends anyhow. They don't know anything about her to really comment. The press inflated their statements anyhow hoping to get some people with less common sense to buy into it.

 

[LondonJohn]

On another matter.......

Sky News carried a short piece on the far-from-new news that Sollecito may have visited Meredith's grave several months ago. There's an accompanying text article on the Sky News website:

http://news.sky.com/story/1163726/meredith-kercher-murder-accused-visits-grave

What's most interesting to me, though, is the back end of the report and article. Given that this piece was filed by Nick Pisa, a reporter who covered the entirety of the trial process to date (including the current appeal), it's somewhat astonishing to find the following assertion from Pisa regarding the new tests on the knife (my highlighting):

Last week a fresh forensic report ordered by the court was leaked and it revealed that although Knox's DNA was on a knife believed to be the murder weapon crucially there was no trace of Miss Kercher or Sollecito on it.

Pisa appears therefore not to understand that only swab 36I was tested by the Carabinieri, and that it is only the results of their tests on this specific swab that revealed Knox's DNA but none of Meredith's or Sollecito's. In other words, he appears to be under the misconception that the Carabinieri re-tested the whole knife, and found no trace of Meredith's (or Sollecito's) DNA*.

To me, this speaks loudly to the very poor quality of "journalism" employed during this case. What's happened, in effect, is that the media (the press, in particular) seem to have left coverage of such a long drawn-out process to second-rate reporters and local stringers (big hello to Vogt and Nadeau!).

* Of course, it's true to say that C&V concluded that there was indeed none of Meredith's DNA on the knife as they were given it to re-test, and that Stefanoni's "finding" on Meredith's DNA on swab 36B was so riddled with malpractice and incompetence as to render it unreliable and inadmissible. But that's a completely different event than the one Pisa was "reporting" on: the C&V conclusions were news some 26 months ago.

 

[acbytesla]

was it necessary for you to talk about Meredith in such a way? poor form

i don't think the roommates and the English friends had good things to say about knox in their testimonies, b/c Knox commented on that in one of her statements to the court.

I'm not talking about Meredith in poor form. I like party girls. And Meredith was a party girl. I have no problem with her behavior. Just like I have no problem with Amanda's behavior. They were both typical 20 year old girls. Away from home, having fun and experimenting sexually.

As for the roommates. They didn't say nice things about Amanda. However, when asked about their knowledge of any problems at all between the victim Meredith and Amanda, they said they did not know of any. Also, Giacomo, the Italian boy that Meredith was hooking up with also testified that Amanda and Meredith got along fine. The British girls also had no first hand knowledge either. You see Geoffrrey. You can't convict on rumor, innuendo or hearsay.

Massei who convicted Amanda, agreed that Amanda and Meredith got along just fine.

 

[GreyFox]

lamp is evidence of a cleanup, looking for stuff on the floor.

what about the fact the heel is missing on the floor that matches the bloody print on the mat? Why wouldn't that be there if no cleanup? Boom.

I don't think cleaning means there must be streaks.

footprints were theirs. measured and matched. luminol reacts with blood and few other itmes, what was it reacting with if not blood.

These are your footprints ! See how silly that is. Now prove that they are not. We all took a vote and decided that's definitely your foot. Looks a lot like your other one !

 

[LondonJohn]

They weren't Knox's friends anyhow. They don't know anything about her to really comment. The press inflated their statements anyhow hoping to get some people with less common sense to buy into it.

To be fair, Filomena, Laura, and Meredith's English friends displayed varying degrees of hostility towards Knox at the trial.

But...... what's very interesting about that is that both prior to the murder and in its immediate aftermath, none of these women had displayed any antipathy towards Knox. Indeed, Filomena - who became a fairly vocal believer in Knox's guilt by the time of the Massei trial - had been extremely friendly and outgoing to Knox in the days following the murder.

What I believe we have seen here is the well-worn phenomenon of ex-post-facto rationalisation: in essence, the girls were instructed by authority figures that Knox was guilty, and this made them retrospectively alter their recollections. In my opinion, it's another fascinating psychological angle in this case.

 

[GreyFox]

On another matter.......

Sky News carried a short piece on the far-from-new news that Sollecito may have visited Meredith's grave several months ago. There's an accompanying text article on the Sky News website:

http://news.sky.com/story/1163726/meredith-kercher-murder-accused-visits-grave

What's most interesting to me, though, is the back end of the report and article. Given that this piece was filed by Nick Pisa, a reporter who covered the entirety of the trial process to date (including the current appeal), it's somewhat astonishing to find the following assertion from Pisa regarding the new tests on the knife (my highlighting):

Pisa appears therefore not to understand that only swab 36I was tested by the Carabinieri, and that it is only the results of their tests on this specific swab that revealed Knox's DNA but none of Meredith's or Sollecito's. In other words, he appears to be under the misconception that the Carabinieri re-tested the whole knife, and found no trace of Meredith's (or Sollecito's) DNA*.

To me, this speaks loudly to the very poor quality of "journalism" employed during this case. What's happened, in effect, is that the media (the press, in particular) seem to have left coverage of such a long drawn-out process to second-rate reporters and local stringers (big hello to Vogt and Nadeau!).

* Of course, it's true to say that C&V concluded that there was indeed none of Meredith's DNA on the knife as they were given it to re-test, and that Stefanoni's "finding" on Meredith's DNA on swab 36B was so riddled with malpractice and incompetence as to render it unreliable and inadmissible. But that's a completely different event than the one Pisa was "reporting" on: the C&V conclusions were news some 26 months ago.

Knox's DNA should prove to him/pisa and others that the knife was not cleaned with bleach or in any way out of the ordinary.
The more of her DNA the better IMO.

 

[acbytesla]

lamp is evidence of a cleanup, looking for stuff on the floor.

Funny thing about the Lamp. It was never even brought up during the trial. Mignini never argued that they used the lamp to clean up. And out of curiosity. Did they levitate while cleaning up? BOOM.

what about the fact the heel is missing on the floor that matches the bloody print on the mat? Why wouldn't that be there if no cleanup? Boom.

Maybe, there wasn't any blood on the person's heel.. DOH!!!!

I don't think cleaning means there must be streaks.

Really?? How many crime scenes have you looked at? Luminol is going to show those streaks. Ignore that fact...but if you do, you're a moron.

footprints were theirs. measured and matched. luminol reacts with blood and few other itmes, what was it reacting with if not blood.[/QUOTE]

The Luminol footprints were never matched. In fact they were splotches that resembled footprints. No one could honestly match them with with any individual. AND OF COURSE IT DOESN'T MATTER since they testified NEGATIVE for blood!!!

BACK TO ZERO. BOOM.

 

[Supernaut]

I understand that you want me to view Knox as a victim and thus not accountable for anything she said or wrote. That is her defense lawyer's main strategy.

I think suggesting Knox was "terrorized" by the cops might be a bit of hyperbole. lol Watching too many movies featuring damsels in distress in a foreign country.

Giobbi blandly stated that he heard her screaming/yelling/shouting (depending on translation) from the "control room" (whatever that is) in the police station questura.

Raffaele states, more categorically, that he could hear her literally screaming for help from where he was being held.

No "hyperbole", laughing boy.