Continuation Part Six: Discussion of the Amanda Knox/Raffaele Sollecito case

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I now suspect, Machiavelli, that the reason you do not post the transcript you say you have, is that it may be more damaging to Mignini outside of the the issue of "Satanic Rites" (and perhaps have nothing really to do with the Kercher murder trials).

You have the facility to prove this surmise of mine wrong. Yet you will not take that final step. You continue to simply assert and expect that assertion to be accepted as proof.

This is nice work if you can get it.
 
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4) Yes, I do find it strange that a quantity that is a liquid (ethyl alcohol) diluted in another quantity that is also a liquid (blood) is measured in a mass-per-unit-volume measure. If alcohol were solid at room temperature, it would be normal and natural to deal in g/l - likewise if it were a gas at room temperature and normal pressure, it would be appropriate to measure it in cubic metres per litre. And the internationally-standardised way of measuring blood alcohol content is indeed in volume-per-unit-volume: ml/dL. You obviously didn't study science beyond a very basic level at school.

Of course… :rolleyes: you explain what's 'international'… :)... if alcohol were a solid in room temperature :) ... Alcohol is indeed liquid at room temperature, but alcohol in water is a solution. Solute is expressed by its mass (volume of some solutes may vary a lot with temperature, pressure). Alcohol is also a substance chemically active in the human system, a drug/medicament (as well as an energy fuel for cell metabolism). Since a human person is not a bottle of drink (there, the volume tells everything you need to now) maybe, in many countries doctors do consider it as a drug rather than as a liquid, because concentrations of all chemically active molecules (drugs, medicaments) is always referred to by their mass amount.

Look at what you write:

3) It appears that you still don't understand the difference between the Hemastix test and the proper TMB two-part test. Please read again the links I provided earlier to the testing instructions. For ease, though, I'll point out the salient points again: Hemastix contain both the TMB reagent and the peroxide catalyser on the head of the stick. Therefore, when the stick is used to test a mark, both processes occur on top of each other and are indistinguishable. This means that if there's a blue or green colouration, the tester is unable to determine whether the colouration was caused by the reaction to the reagent or by the reaction to the catalyser. That's why Hemastix are not very specific - they will change colour for a wide number of different oxidants in addition to blood.

However....... the proper TMB test has two discrete parts, and the important thing is that the tester is able to view the results of both parts separately in time. When the TMB reagent is applied to the mark, if it turns blue/green then the substance is not blood, but is instead some other oxidant. If the application of the TMB produces no colour change, however, the tester applies part two of the test: the peroxide catalyser. If a blue/green colour is now produced by the catalyser, then it's highly likely that blood is present. (Of course, if there's no colour change with the peroxide either, then there's neither blood nor any other oxidant present).

So, you see, there's a massive and fundamentally important difference between a Hemastix test and a full TMB test, in that a full TMB test enables the tester to differentiate between blood and other oxidants. In science, we call this having a high specificity.

… “massive and fundamentally important difference”… you magnify properties of a TMB test which you maybe pompously call “proper” (because of the “two stages” ! ), you say I “obviously didn’t study science beyond a very basic level…”
… and then you write… “the peroxide catalyser” . (!)

You go on explaining repeating that peroxide is the catalyser. :covereyes It is an oxidant. Hemoglobine is the catalyser.
 
This video is classic Andrea Vogt. She blames the Knox/Mellas's for creating the we/they atmosphere in the media.... which is highly ironic when is was reporters like Vogt who allowed falsehoods to be printed in her name and never corrected them.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhS0273-3m0

Now she is recommending that anonymous Wiki's be cited as a reliable source for information... and she is resurrecting old news to try to taint the Idaho Innocence project, just ahead of a Florence court ruling on DNA evidence.

I think this is called "inserting yourself into the story". At least the Condom Guy in the background of the video gets his message across.
 
I can't help but feel that the Vogt article is good news for AK. I notice the date of the *reply* from BSU is 2/2012, so why is Vogt writing about it now, getting on two years later. I wonder if her inside sources tell her something related to DNA in Knox's favor will come out soon and swamp her boat, so to speak, and she is venting her frustration about it now.

I agree. Didn't Vogt say something before heading to Sicily a couple of days ago, that she was tired of this case?
 
a curtain on a scene of dizzying hypocrisy

Nice shell game. No, the significance of the Vogt scoop is not in the desultory FOIA request but in the three prominent US criminal cases, cited in her article, where Hampikian's work was error-ridden and likely as fraudulent as his peer-unreviewed "experiment" on DNA transfer.

Error #1: "[In] his affidavit to the court Hampikian had misread one of the swab results, referring to the DNA subtyping as “sub 1-” instead of “sub 1+."

Error #2: "The court then wrote: 'Hampikian’s opinion letter referencing his interpretation of DNA tests performed by the state is framed with speculative conditions and conjecture.'"

Error #3: (Conflict of interest; abuse of public funds) "Though Hampikian consulted for some time for free... Gary’s defense team filed a motion asking the court to authorize paying Hampkian $200 an hour for his services."

Vogt unearthed these examples even without information the "open and honest Knox PR campaign" is required, at least ethically, to release. Boise State and Hampikian at least owe their alumni, their auditors, and those of us interested in more than bald-faced and fact-free advocacy.

The curtain has begun to descend.

This coming from an ardent supporter of the hapless Perugian Flying Monkey Squad. It is to laugh.

Casa chiuso, eh pal?
 
I agree. Didn't Vogt say something before heading to Sicily a couple of days ago, that she was tired of this case?

It was about 2 weeks ago and she tweeted "Same tiresome arguments by all sides for 6 yrs on #amandaknox case." This was in summary to Amanda's Skype appearance (along with other guests) on Porta a Porta.
 
It was about 2 weeks ago and she tweeted "Same tiresome arguments by all sides for 6 yrs on #amandaknox case." This was in summary to Amanda's Skype appearance (along with other guests) on Porta a Porta.

Thanks.

Andrea sometimes cannot hide her disdain for Amanda or anybody who surrounds her. That's what I call objective journalism.
 
I can't help but feel that the Vogt article is good news for AK. I notice the date of the *reply* from BSU is 2/2012, so why is Vogt writing about it now, getting on two years later. I wonder if her inside sources tell her something related to DNA in Knox's favor will come out soon and swamp her boat, so to speak, and she is venting her frustration about it now.

It really does seem desperate, doesn't it? She is writing it now to coincide with the congressional briefing in DC this week. She is trying to raise doubts about the credibility of those presenting the briefing, e.g., Heavey and Moore, by questioning Hampikian's.
 
It really does seem desperate, doesn't it? She is writing it now to coincide with the congressional briefing in DC this week. She is trying to raise doubts about the credibility of those presenting the briefing, e.g., Heavey and Moore, by questioning Hampikian's.

Is Vogt prosecuting this case? As a journalist, should she be inserting herself like this?

Maybe Machiavelli has an opinion.
 
I'm quite sure Mach has a 3000 word rambling non coherent opinion on any question posed to him.
 
I'm quite sure Mach has a 3000 word rambling non coherent opinion on any question posed to him.

Maybe you could comment on his evaluation of Mignini, who at the conference said that Satanism cannot be ruled out... ah, er, that one should not preempt one's investigation by necessarily ruling it out....

It sure sounds to me like he was saying both things - he was trying to distance himself from the suggestion he'd ever brought a Satanic Rite theory into a case he'd covered, and then (in my opinion) proceeded to shoot himself in the foot by saying one needed to keep an open mind.....

What say you?
 
Mach's sole purpose is to twist and confuse every issue by means of lengthy twisted gibberish. Of course Mignini implied, if not directly stated, a satanic ritualistic murder was comitted.
 
It really does seem desperate, doesn't it? She is writing it now to coincide with the congressional briefing in DC this week. She is trying to raise doubts about the credibility of those presenting the briefing, e.g., Heavey and Moore, by questioning Hampikian's.


Well, that makes sense. Any help with why the full BSU FOIA Denial is dated Feb 15 2012 and page 2 is dated Feb 15 2011?
 
Well, that makes sense. Any help with why the full BSU FOIA Denial is dated Feb 15 2012 and page 2 is dated Feb 15 2011?

Must be a typo.

Did she post that slapdown letter on her website?

This whole thing is bizarre.

"Dear Ms. Vogt: Sure, we'll pull all the email between Hampikian and dalla Vedova off the server and pack it in zip file. They and their client will probably sue us and win, but oh well. What is the best email address, or do you you want it on a thumb drive?"
 
I always get a kick out of the impotent threats of P-U Quennell. He has been ranting and raving about the end of the world as we know it for almost six years. Has anything he's promised ever come to pass?

I guess this is where stilicho got the idea the curtain has begun to descend, as he wrote earlier today. You can read the whole piece on TJMK, but I thought it would be fun to edit it to leave in just the empty threats. You can almost hear the sputters and feel the spittle.

Monday, October 28, 2013

Some Hard Truths Sollecito PR Shill Sharlene Martin Omitted In Her Misleading Invite To The Congress

Posted by The TJMK Main Posters

Dear Sharlene Martin:

.....You might well be advised to head to higher ground...... as Italian law enforcement start to reach out to their counterparts in the FBI, and as they charge mischief-makers with obstruction of justice in the case.....

.....And this alone has your client cooked.

1) .....Senator Cantwell.... duly warned..... heads-ups for Senator Maria Cantwell.

2)..... Sollecito is being considered for charges of obstruction of justice for the book and much else in the media, and you and the publishers may be charged too.

3) ..... (corrective measures have been taken with more to come)

.....A Congressional briefing panel that is not made in heaven, that is for sure. Stay tuned. There is more to come.

Keeping in mind that Pete also promised the ballerina he was stalking/blackmailing that he was getting in shape and there was "more of that to come....," too, there is no doubt Sharlene Martin, Senator Cantwell, and Raffaele are all shaking in their boots right about now.

(This comment will be retracted if PQ actually got in shape.)
 
First of all pay some attention to exactt words; because the choice of semantics is very important in legal things: the actual defence submission does not say “in contradiction”.
In fact, it avoids using the term contradiction, apparently on purpose; it says instead “in contrasto”, more vague, that in Italian means “contrarily to”, but just implies a difference, in this case we guess the difference is an omission. While it does not say 'contradiction'. They would have certainly used the term “contradiction” if there was actually some room to say that.

As usually, you are 1) buying blindfolded the defence narrative, and then 2) you are mystifying it, attributing to it a logical value which is not the one it has.
It's not the important thing anyway; it just won’t be the first time your narrative, aka the propaganda and defence narrative, hinges around false claims or twistings of facts.
Let’s recall some, making some examples.
While picking a defence suggestion you (and people here) claimed that Chiriboga 'contradicted' Quintavalle, and that she stated that Knox did not come into the shop. This is what you claimed: that Chiriboga stated that Knox did not enter the shop.
I pointed out that your assertion is wrong; you insisted repeating it, despite you had no proof, convinced about your belief; but I was right. Chriboga simply does not know if anyone entered the shop that morning. You can check Chiriboga’s testimony now in the Meredith Wiki project.




Another false claim was that the police “destroyed three hard drives”. About this, I also pointed out that it was an incorrect assertion, actually the police damaged the drive control boards but they did not destroy the drives and their contents, and in fact they had actually recovered the content of two of them.
What I said can be checked in the documentation:


However you probably go on believing this false claim. You probably believed Sollecito’s when lied in his book about this, suggesting that the police destroyed the hard drive content of his Asus laptop, and thus complained that by doing this they “destroyed the evidence that would exculpate him”: in fact, the drive was recovered, the content was entirely saved, copied, analysed and there was just no evidence of his alibi inside it.

Then there was an allegation that Mignini offered a satanic or ritual murder scenario; while in fact, nothing of this kind can actually fit with his court argument.
There was also the wild claim that the prosecution placed an inflammatory photography in British tabloids, a claim which also was proven unfounded (moreover the Daily Mirror bought the pictures from Barcroft Media), and even the “short and fat” person who allegedly took photos with a little camera was obviously compatible with Profazio and not with Mignini (who has not even a white suit in the videos btw).
You also asserted that Stefanoni was merely a “technician” and not a biologist, that she only had a bachelor’s degree, that she came from a third rate university: in fact, Stefanoni has a five-year degree (cum laude) in molecular biology at the Federico II University of Naples, and after that (something I discovered recently) she was a researcher for eight years at the Federico II University before entering the Rome police laboratory team.

So several claims of yours, and some of the defence, are proved to be factually incorrect.
After your false claims about Chiriboga, the hard drives etc., now there is a claim that Stefanoni lied in the preliminary hearing talking about the Dec. 18. TMB tests on the luminol stains, or about quantization.

I won’t be surprised if these claims turn out to be false when we look at the transcripts. I don’t have these preliminary hearing transcripts yet. But everything suggests you are wrong again.
Meanwhile, I recall that Dr. Potenza was summoned at Stefanoni’s laboratory when the DNA tests on the knife were carried on. If he were there, he would be supposed to know everything about negative controls, the use of fluorimeter and quantization; he never objected negative control were not done, neither he demanded them to be performed, nor video recorded nor verbalized anything; he defence also did not request further documentation about the knife; they also did not request to delay the DNA tests while awaiting to hire expert team, or they did not object to Stefanoni be the one to perform them (they could have asked the preliminary investigative judge to appoint another expert).
But about the Dec. 18. luminol tests and TMB tests and DNA samples test on the corridor stains, the defence expert panels were assembled, they were summoned, they did not object and they were supposed to be present.
On top of this, a defence claim that Stefanoni lied about TMB tests – while such tests were carried on in the open, before the summoned experts and even video recorded - sounds quite obviously illogical. May be soon proven false like the other claims.

Save it all...you are wrong on every point.

First I never spoke of Chiriboga...but no matter. The police entered Quintinvales store in the days following the murder and Quintinvale and company never mentioned anyone entering the store or waiting outside. The fact that he comes to the prosecutor a year later and then decides to make false claims. Mignini should have charged Quintinvale with calunnia...for falsely accusing Knox of something that was false.

4 computers were destroyed not three. You forgot that Filomenas was returned destroyed as well. The Knox hard drive was actually physically taken apart as if the clown from the police could see some error he could fix. A so called expert should understand that this would never work again...and I think they did understand that.

I stand by all statements. The TMB was a lie of Stefanoni. The quantification of sample 36b as reported by her in court was clearly a lie. The negative controls are not something that needs to be requested by anyone...they are a required step of the process. Without proof that this step was done is enough to invalidate the whole test since it is not optional.

The twisting is all on your side Im afraid. You have words but we have the proof of what was said and shown in court. Momma always told me...be careful of your sins....they will always find you out. The Italian courts had a chance to hide these sins...but that chance has now passed. And so everybody's sins will eventually be revealed. Investigations will be done and more books will be written and the European Court of Human Rights will be hearing the case and a judge from America will be hearing the extradition appeal case...your country and its ridiculous judicial monstrosity will be laid bare for all to see...I promise.
 
I can't help but feel that the Vogt article is good news for AK. I notice the date of the *reply* from BSU is 2/2012, so why is Vogt writing about it now, getting on two years later. I wonder if her inside sources tell her something related to DNA in Knox's favor will come out soon and swamp her boat, so to speak, and she is venting her frustration about it now.

I cant imagine someone is authorizing Vogt access to the Costa Concordia wreck and documents. Now how could such a biased shill pretending to be a professional gain such access? Hummmm? Someone should inform perhaps a huge company like Discovery Channel of her clearly lop sided attack on clearly innocent persons. Someone who actually goes after a doctor why? Will Dr Hamp go after her in court? I would.
 
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