Merged Newtown (Sandy Hook) Shooting Conspiracy Theories In 3..2..1....

skepticidal said:
There is indeed a shadow government (SG).
This SG does possess secret knowledge. The first aspect of this special knowledge, which makes it efficiently secret, is that the SG not only know that the mythologies are mythologies, but also know that they themselves create and use those mythologies to manipulate the credulous masses. They know Sandy Hook is a Shady Hoax.

Beyond that first broad level of division between the knowledgeable and the credulous, the secret knowledge is distinguished by the division of rulers into two irreconcilable factions. Beyond the sheep-pens of the believers in myths like terrorism, there exist two fundamentally opposed views of which way to steer history.

One elite, the humanists, the Platonic or Neoplatonic faction, is dedicated to steering the course of history away from rule through so-called "noble myths." The other, the Aristotelians and their heirs, is committed to strengthening the rule by staging events that seem pivotal and focusing media attention on those events, for the purpose of establishing a permanent, "feudal-like" Utopia of obedient, simple-minded folk ruled by a tenured neo-Aristotelian oligarchy.

But, I take it you want me to provide you with proof that even you can't refute? I would provide that only to those asking and aware of their ignorance, as I am. I'm certain that many of the most active members here are far from ready to learn anything significant that isn't approved material.
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OK, so you don't have any evidence of a shadow government. Thought so.
 
skepticidal said:
There is indeed a shadow government (SG).
This SG does possess secret knowledge. The first aspect of this special knowledge, which makes it efficiently secret, is that the SG not only know that the mythologies are mythologies, but also know that they themselves create and use those mythologies to manipulate the credulous masses. They know Sandy Hook is a Shady Hoax.

Beyond that first broad level of division between the knowledgeable and the credulous, the secret knowledge is distinguished by the division of rulers into two irreconcilable factions. Beyond the sheep-pens of the believers in myths like terrorism, there exist two fundamentally opposed views of which way to steer history.

One elite, the humanists, the Platonic or Neoplatonic faction, is dedicated to steering the course of history away from rule through so-called "noble myths." The other, the Aristotelians and their heirs, is committed to strengthening the rule by staging events that seem pivotal and focusing media attention on those events, for the purpose of establishing a permanent, "feudal-like" Utopia of obedient, simple-minded folk ruled by a tenured neo-Aristotelian oligarchy.

But, I take it you want me to provide you with proof that even you can't refute? I would provide that only to those asking and aware of their ignorance, as I am. I'm certain that many of the most active members here are far from ready to learn anything significant that isn't approved material.
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I'd settle for material facts, rather than assertion.
 
Justin39640 said:
So... you believe in a shadow government that has no problems killing and/or covering up the killing of schoolchildren. Then you get on the internet and call them out on it. Good move (not).

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I haven't been to 1 page of this forum in at least 4 months. I wouldn't call my interactions here a noteworthy part of my strategy. That needed to be said to anyone who thinks I imagine success will come if I continue to interact on a forum with self-proclaimed skeptics. Although, of what they don't say.

POINT OF CLARIFICATION: I didn't get on the Internet today or anytime I can recall to call out the shadow gov, Illuminati (spell check reminds me to capitalize), or similar group. I get on the Internet and call out YOU and OTHER FORUM MEMBERS for your concerted efforts to complicate any hope we have of getting away from the danger these criminal authorities pose.

If you could see this forum through my eyes, you wouldn't take delight in sarcastic ridicule of people with different ideas. Bad move (yes)?

POINT OF CLARIFICATION: I don't believe anyone killed anyone except for possibly Nancy Lanza. And, I highly doubt that.

However, yes I tend to think a very high percentage of officials kill or have people killed with absolutely no remorse. And, I am active in many ways now to bring about resolution after many years fact-finding.

I do it for others because I simply can't move through life while people of all kinds worship the very ones who deceive and care nothing about them.

( Hint: That last sentence exhibits something known to humans as "heartfelt expression." Despite being very hardened against attacks of my deeply held ideas, it is still customary for humans to recognize expressions of this type and not immediately wage a careless attack response. Like refusing to kick a dying dog, even when someone strong as I make statements like this it is more appropriate to allow it to pass. Human beings see these as clearly not intended to garner social status or group acceptance, and therefore do not constitute a threat to their social status or group acceptance.)
 
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POINT OF CLARIFICATION: I don't believe anyone killed anyone except for possibly Nancy Lanza. And, I highly doubt that.
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What you believe has nothing to do with reality. I live in Connecticut, about half an hour away from Newtown. My parish priest baptized some of those children; he also buried some of them. I have co-workers who had children in that school; I saw, with my own eyes, their fear and their worry as they waited for word about the fate of their children.

I don't know what it is in some people's minds that causes them not to be able to process the concept that there are evil and disturbed people in the world, and that these people do evil and disturbed things, with no prompting from any "shadow government". Maybe it's a coping mechanism; I'm not a psychiatrist and can't speculate. But I can assure you that those kids that died at Sandy Hook were entirely real, just like those who died in Boston and those who died at the Navy Yard in Virginia.

I'm sorry if this kicks one of the props out from under your worldview, but there is no shadow government. There's evil, God knows, and it is everywhere, but there is no evil cabal sitting in a paneled boardroom somewhere saying "Let's kill a bunch of kids in Connecticut today", no matter how comforting that might be for you to believe.
 
skepticidal said:


One elite, the humanists, the Platonic or Neoplatonic faction, is dedicated to steering the course of history away from rule through so-called "noble myths." The other, the Aristotelians and their heirs, is committed to strengthening the rule by staging events that seem pivotal and focusing media attention on those events, for the purpose of establishing a permanent, "feudal-like" Utopia of obedient, simple-minded folk ruled by a tenured neo-Aristotelian oligarchy.
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Hey, don't listen to them naysayers. I applaud your efforts. Even if I'm not quite convinced, I really love the way that you've tied the competing factions to Plato and Aristotle. This should really settle that other thread on whether philosophy matters.

Of course, I'm not quite sure why you think that the two factions you mention have a darned thing to do with the ideas of Plato or Aristotle, but it really doesn't matter. The important thing is that you tried, and for that I applaud you!

Keep it up! Tell us which parts of the truth movement are Kantian and which Hobbesian!

Philosophy rules.
 
skepticidal said:
There is indeed a shadow government (SG).
This SG does possess secret knowledge. The first aspect of this special knowledge, which makes it efficiently secret, is that the SG not only know that the mythologies are mythologies, but also know that they themselves create and use those mythologies to manipulate the credulous masses. They know Sandy Hook is a Shady Hoax.\
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Does it bother you that your Shadow Gov't story sounds rather more mythological than a nutcase shooting up a school?
 
jhunter1163 said:
I'm sorry if this kicks one of the props out from under your worldview, but there is no shadow government.
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There is a shadow government.

What you say has nothing to do with reality.

Neoconservatives run the government with the assistance of the MSM.
 
Well, if Clayton Moore says there is once, once again without a scrap of evidence, then it surely must be true.

And by 'surely must be true' I mean 'a complete delusion'.
 
skepticidal said:
There is indeed a shadow government (SG).
This SG does possess secret knowledge. The first aspect of this special knowledge, which makes it efficiently secret, is that the SG not only know that the mythologies are mythologies, but also know that they themselves create and use those mythologies to manipulate the credulous masses. They know Sandy Hook is a Shady Hoax.

Beyond that first broad level of division between the knowledgeable and the credulous, the secret knowledge is distinguished by the division of rulers into two irreconcilable factions. Beyond the sheep-pens of the believers in myths like terrorism, there exist two fundamentally opposed views of which way to steer history.

One elite, the humanists, the Platonic or Neoplatonic faction, is dedicated to steering the course of history away from rule through so-called "noble myths." The other, the Aristotelians and their heirs, is committed to strengthening the rule by staging events that seem pivotal and focusing media attention on those events, for the purpose of establishing a permanent, "feudal-like" Utopia of obedient, simple-minded folk ruled by a tenured neo-Aristotelian oligarchy.

But, I take it you want me to provide you with proof that even you can't refute? I would provide that only to those asking and aware of their ignorance, as I am. I'm certain that many of the most active members here are far from ready to learn anything significant that isn't approved material.
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Wow. :jaw-dropp I thought I was on Icke's nut-farm for a moment.
 
skepticidal said:
And, I am active in many ways now to bring about resolution after many years fact-finding.
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So far, in the last two days, you wrote 2 essays devoid of any proof of the "facts" you claim to have have found. You gave us nothing. Show us logical proof for these ideas (:rolleyes:) and you'll find people will support you. :)
 
But, I take it you want me to provide you with proof that even you can't refute? I would provide that only to those asking and aware of their ignorance, as I am. I'm certain that many of the most active members here are far from ready to learn anything significant that isn't approved material.
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Common CT claim, "I have evidence but will only share it with other true believers."
 
Clayton Moore said:
Somebody Is Hiding Something
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Now if only you could come up with evidence of that, besides whining about how the mean detectives won't let you help investigate.

Clayton, do you honestly think your YouTube videos and crank blogs and incessant questioning would hold up in court? If you went to court today, and you accused the president or the FBI or the Zionist shadow government or whoever you think is behind this of orchestrating the shooting, and you handed the judge your YouTube videos and your dissections of news articles and rumors on crank blogs and your amateur psychological assessments, all printed out and laminated nice and pretty, do you think the judge would rule in your favor?
 
The judge would end up being Bush's roommate's girlfriend's aunt's stepbrother's third cousin... No possible way to get a fair verdict with that sort of bias :D
 
Hey Clayton I asked these of CT'ers on YouTube maybe you could have a stab?

1.Are the police lying?
2.Are survivors lying?
3.Are all emergency staff ,including hospital that treated survivors ,lying?
4.Is State Medical examiner and staff lying?
5. Are parents lying?
Be good to hear your thoughts. :D
 
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