Continuation Part Six: Discussion of the Amanda Knox/Raffaele Sollecito case

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The independent experts in the first appeal trial reported that the DNA of Meredith allegedly found on the knife could well have been contamination because proper protocols and procedures were not followed.

32 words, lots of big words like con-tam-in-a-tion.


http://blog.seattlepi.com/dempsey/2013/09/30/amanda-knox-judge-orders-new-test-on-knife/

Amanda Knox: New DNA test good or bad?
In the last trial, a speck the police claimed was the victim’s DNA turned out to be starch.

18 words, nothing bigger than two sylables.


You might have a better truth but for writing to her audience she can't be beat.
 
Do you really think Candace was trying to convince readers that a human DNA profile was extracted from starch? I don't. I think she assumes a degree of intelligence on the part of her readers, such that they can understand what she meant. She meant that starch, rather than human tissue, was found on the knife blade, ergo the DNA profile must have come from an extraneous contaminant.

Vogt, meanwhile, did her best to convince her readers that Amanda confessed to being at the crime scene in a secretly recorded conversation. That is a flagrant misrepresentation of what Amanda said and what she clearly meant.

If you can't see the difference, you have truly lost the plot.



She had access to the dossier of police evidence, through me, and she made extensive use of it. She and her sister pored over the DNA test results and constructed an index that I use to this day. Candace emailed me many times to discuss details shown in the crime scene photos, to resolve the timing of phone calls, etc. She was as interested in all this stuff as the people here on JREF. Very few so-called reporters had any interest whatsoever, even though I tried to interest them. They were fixated on soundbites from people outside the courtroom, scuttlebutt about Amanda's personal life, exclusive interviews with key players, etc.

When Rinaldi did his presentation and announced that Guede's foot was far too big to have made the print on the mat, Nadeau and others breathlessly reported it as fact. They didn't have the reference material, or if they did, they didn't bother to check it. They didn't notice that Rinaldi's stunning conclusion was based on a flat-out lie in his measurements. I noticed. So did Candace. We discussed it at length.

Berkley signed Candace up because they want authors who delve into the direct facts of the case, instead of interviewing the cops and lawyers and cribbing from what other reporters have written, which is what most true-crime authors do.


This is interesting now to talk about authors. A failed documentary film maker (at least for the Kercher case) named Paul Russell who was hired and then fired by an English TV channel because of a propensity to only present one side... (Migninis) of the story who then decided to author a book on the subject. That book is titled Darkness Descending. Anyone who read this story understands that it also only presents one side of the story and not very well at that. But enough said about that.

I have long suspected that Paul Russell is actually someone posting as Yummi on certain PG web sites. I now offer the following as evidence that I am correct. While not absolute proof, the evidence is at least far stronger than anything Mignini and company ever had in the Kercher case. :-)

Scroll down the home page of Fact TV and find a familiar face that will bring things into focus for everyone.
If you need more then click and read the true crime section under stories Crime Crossing The Line. Any doubts then feel free to channel Carlizzi and the dead priest.

http://facttvuk.wordpress.com/
 

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This is interesting now to talk about authors. A failed documentary film maker (at least for the Kercher case) named Paul Russell who was hired and then fired by an English TV channel because of a propensity to only present one side... (Migninis) of the story then decided to author a book on the subject. That book is titled Darkness Descending. Anyone who read this story understands that it also only presents one side of the story and not very well at that. But enough said about that.

I have long suspected that Paul Russell is actually someone posting as Yummi on certain PG web sites. I now offer the following as evidence that I am correct. While not absolute proof, the evidence is at least far stronger than anything Mignini and company ever had in the Kercher case. :-)

Scroll down the home page of Fact TV and find a familiar face that will bring things into focus everyone.
If you need more then click and read the true crime section under stories. Any doubts then feel free to channel Carlizzi and the dead priest.

http://facttvuk.wordpress.com/

Do you think it is possible that a movie will be made from an innocence perspective? Like from Amanda's or Raffaele's??
 
32 words, lots of big words like con-tam-in-a-tion.


http://blog.seattlepi.com/dempsey/2013/09/30/amanda-knox-judge-orders-new-test-on-knife/
Amanda Knox: New DNA test good or bad?
In the last trial, a speck the police claimed was the victim’s DNA turned out to be starch.
18 words, nothing bigger than two syllables.


You might have a better truth but for writing to her audience she can't be beat.

I'll take a shot:
In the last trial, a speck the police claimed contained the victim's DNA turned out to be starch.

Still inaccurate though.
Second try:
In the last trial, where the police claimed to find DNA, the latest tests only showed starch.

Still not great though. If I had been writing it I would have used more words (And I probably wouldn't have found anybody that was interested in paying me for the right to publish it).

Previously I gave Grinder and acbytesla each a score of 50% right. I have changed my view a bit based on a LondonJohn post. I understood from his post that Dempsey's claim was a little closer to the truth than I had realized. My new scores: Grinder 40% acbytesla 60%. However Grinder has kept pounding away on this issue for reasons that aren't clear, I am on the edge of deducting another 10% for continuing to make a big deal out of a very small issue.
 
Again...thanks for the tease....:p

Hold on dcbyedison....;-)


I posted everything I have. You need to review it now and look at the parts I suggested. Everything you need to figure this out is posted. Did you click the link?
 
I'll take a shot:
In the last trial, a speck the police claimed contained the victim's DNA turned out to be starch.

Still inaccurate though.
Second try:
In the last trial, where the police claimed to find DNA, the latest tests only showed starch.

Still not great though. If I had been writing it I would have used more words (And I probably wouldn't have found anybody that was interested in paying me for the right to publish it).

Previously I gave Grinder and acbytesla each a score of 50% right. I have changed my view a bit based on a LondonJohn post. I understood from his post that Dempsey's claim was a little closer to the truth than I had realized. My new scores: Grinder 40% acbytesla 60%. However Grinder has kept pounding away on this issue for reasons that aren't clear, I am on the edge of deducting another 10% for continuing to make a big deal out of a very small issue.

I concede that Grinder is right. That Candace is not literally correct. But my question to you Dave. Is CD really misleading anyone?

Do you think that CD is deliberately clouding the results of the Conti Vechiotti review of Item 36?
 
Hold on dcbyedison....;-)


I posted everything I have. You need to review it now and look at the parts I suggested. Everything you need to figure this out is posted. Did you click the link?

Yes, but it still didn't make me think that this prosecution makes any sense.
 
I concede that Grinder is right. That Candace is not literally correct. But my question to you Dave. Is CD really misleading anyone?

Do you think that CD is deliberately clouding the results of the Conti Vechiotti review of Item 36?

I sympathize with your attempt to get a higher grade. You will recall that you lost some points last time for not conceding sooner that based on a literal reading that Grinder was right. However since that time you have made it clear that you agree that based on a literal reading Grinder is correct. That is a point in your favor. I think this together with Grinder's relentless beating of the dead horse should make you hopeful about your chances for an improved grade.

You asked two questions:
1. Is anyone actually mislead by CD?
Perhaps a few. It seems like most of the people who would care enough about the case to be reading through the minutia would realize that while the original forensic investigation might have had issues, one of their problems wasn't that they were confusing human DNA with starch.

2. Do you think that CD is deliberately clouding the results of the Conti Vechiotti review of Item 36?
Perhaps just a bit, but mostly no. She used some hyperbole to ridicule the original investigators which just by itself may cloud the issue a bit in favor of the defense view, but mostly as I alluded to in answer number 1, I suspect that most readers saw her comment as humorous hyperbole.

By the way, speaking of grades how did I do with my efforts to your challenge?
 
I sympathize with your attempt to get a higher grade. You will recall that you lost some points last time for not conceding sooner that based on a literal reading that Grinder was right. However since that time you have made it clear that you agree that based on a literal reading Grinder is correct. That is a point in your favor. I think this together with Grinder's relentless beating of the dead horse should make you hopeful about your chances for an improved grade.

You asked two questions:
1. Is anyone actually mislead by CD?
Perhaps a few. It seems like most of the people who would care enough about the case to be reading through the minutia would realize that while the original forensic investigation might have had issues, one of their problems wasn't that they were confusing human DNA with starch.

2. Do you think that CD is deliberately clouding the results of the Conti Vechiotti review of Item 36?
Perhaps just a bit, but mostly no. She used some hyperbole to ridicule the original investigators which just by itself may cloud the issue a bit in favor of the defense view, but mostly as I alluded to in answer number 1, I suspect that most readers saw her comment as humorous hyperbole.

By the way, speaking of grades how did I do with my efforts to your challenge?

You're giving your honest perspective. So you get an A-. I can't give you and A, unless you agree with me entirely. :D You understand
 
You're giving your honest perspective. So you get an A-. I can't give you and A, unless you agree with me entirely. :D You understand

I understand completely, no hard feelings, since I only agree with you about 99.9 % of the time in this thread I can see where you have reason to withhold a better grade.

But, ugh, :o I meant to ask how I did on Dan O's challenge.

If I have time I'd like to update my entry a bit since I was only at 17 words.

In the last trial, where the police claimed to find Kercher's DNA, the latest tests only showed starch.
 
I remember reading posts about Raffaele's "collection" of knives, thinking he must be strange. Why is he obsessed with knives?

Then I started counting the number of knives (not including cooking knives) that I have. It turns out I have 6 pocket knives. But I'd never say I have a collection. In fact, I'm not sure how I ended up with this many. I have two in fishing tackle boxes. (never want to go fishing without a knife) a couple of other knives that I have had since I was a kid and finally two flick knives that I bought when I went fishing with out a knife on me.

Since I was maybe 10 years old, I have carried a knife. My Dad gave it to me. He taught me that a good knife can come in handy. But it has never been for protection. It's to cut a box, twine, extract a sliver, cut up a fish. I think there are a lot of guys like me. But I wouldn't say I collect knives or am obsessed with them in any way. A knife is just a tool. I have probably 6 tape measures and I'm not collecting them either.

Then I find out I must be a lot more obsessed than Raffaele since he has only 2 knives.

Can someone clarify? On PMF years ago, I saw a photo of a knife claimed to belong to Raff, with a weird-looking hook on the back of the blade. After a little reflection, I realised the hook allowed the knife to be used as a bottle-opener - but of course the PMFers were making out that it had some sinister purpose or meaning.

Did Raff's "knife collection" consist of this one plus his ordinary pocket knife?
 
Yes, but it still didn't make me think that this prosecution makes any sense.

Well, it sort of makes sense as a cover-up for their hasty mistaken actions on 5-6 November, but even then there are bits of it that appear completely brainless.

My reaction is that they believed that their actions would never be subject to scrutiny. So it's incompetence, corruption and arrogance piled on top of each other.
 
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