Ed Madeleine McCann Mystery

jargon buster said:
Drugging a child is more responsible?
Suppose she had vomited?
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Why would she vomit? I didn't say they ODed her. It seems reasonable that doctors would know how to properly medicate her. Unless they were giving her a mad dose of some major medication, it wouldn't be cause for concern.

If you give your child a sedative to sleep do you hover by the bed all night to make sure they don't vomit?


Do nurses hover by the patients beds in the hospital? Or do they check in like rounds every few.........oh wait.....
 
Information Analyst said:
Sure, but there's no evidence to dispute it either.
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Seriously? :eye-poppi:eek:
Information Analyst said:
The point is that the pro-McCann camp seem to appeal to the supposed absurdity of the very idea of medical professionals sedating their own children, as if such a thing is utterly unthinkable, when I've been assured that it isn't.
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It may have happened in other cases, though you've provided no evidence, but that doesn't in the slightest support the suggestion that it happened in this case.
There's no evidence that Madeleine McCann wasn't kidnapped by the Illuminati either.
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As other have noted, though, there seems to be an anomaly in that we're still expected to believe a child who supposedly had trouble sleeping or woke up easily was carried off limp in the arms of somebody that night. Now, that could be because she was sedated by somebody - even the putative abductor - or it could simply be that the later sighting was as mistaken as the first.
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More baseless speculation.
 
There is a swimming pool between the Tapas bar and the McCaan flat that they left her in with the door open. That alone is ridiculously dangerous if she had gotten out.
 
truethat said:
I don't have proof, but I will say that if they DID sedate her, (which btw I would consider MORE responsible than just leaving her unattended and asleep) it would answer a lot of questions IMO.

I've listed them before but I'll do it again.

A. The general feeling they are hiding something. If they DID sedate her, this might be what they are not revealing. Understandably so, because as doctors they could lose their license.

B. The fact that they felt comfortable leaving her that way. If she was sedated it would just be a matter of periodic checking in, knowing she couldn't wake up and hurt herself or leave the room.

C. Consider that they left the door open. It would make more sense that they did this knowing she wouldn't be able to wake up and open the door and go off looking for them.

D. The fact that they immediately knew she had been abducted and had not left the room.

E. The fact that they washed the cudddle cat, worried that residue of the medication might show up under analysis.
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The highlighted part is your interpretation. But I give this to you.
Possibility of the girl being sedated is raised a little higher in this case.
 
erwinl said:
The highlighted part is your interpretation. But I give this to you.
Possibility of the girl being sedated is raised a little higher in this case.
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Well it would answer that. I am not saying it's what happened. But it always puzzled me why a mother would say that the cuddle cat had been placed on a shelf and this is why she knew Madeline had been abducted.

It was too high for Madeline to reach.

This means the last person who touched it would have been the person who abducted her. Yet instead of putting it into a bag and sending it to a research lab in the hopes that DNA might be found, she washed it.
 
Garrison said:
Except that isn't what happened; the reconstruction shows that one of the McCanns or one of the other at the table went to to check the children periodically. Oh and there is no mention of her crying in the Police version of events.




And again if I'm remembering correctly from the reconstruction they had to give the friend who went to check a key to get in. So not only are you drawing conclusions from inadequate information but inaccurate information as well.
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We are talking about the 1st of may, why cant you follow simple conversations.
 
Which was two days before her disappearing. What does that have to do with how often she was checked upon on the day itself?
 
IamFreeCanIGo said:
Thats the uk, this all took place in portual, so your point is useless and even if you think the police chief was a money grabber, he clearly thought they were responsible hence his book. That proves that they were made arguidos because they were suspected guilty, not because its a normal thing to do. Stop clutching at straws.
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The basic enquiries are the same in both countries. If this had happened in the UK with holidaying Portuguese at some point the parents would be formally interviewed under caution. There would be some police who would think the parents had something to do with the disappearance. One may even write a book about it.

I am sorry but the McCanns being made arguidos is not that odd or suspicious.
 
erwinl said:
Which was two days before her disappearing. What does that have to do with how often she was checked upon on the day itself?
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It doesn't, but we were talking about the McCanns being neglectful. The evidence of this occured over the whole holiday, not just the day she disappeared.
 
IamFreeCanIGo said:
It doesn't, but we were talking about the McCanns being neglectful. The evidence of this occured over the whole holiday, not just the day she disappeared.
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This is also important. She was left crying for a while another night (30 minutes I think) and a neighbor heard her. So say they came back in the room and found her amiss and crying, it would have been a motivation to say "You know let's give her a little benadryl so she'll stay asleep.
 
Nessie said:
The basic enquiries are the same in both countries. If this had happened in the UK with holidaying Portuguese at some point the parents would be formally interviewed under caution. There would be some police who would think the parents had something to do with the disappearance. One may even write a book about it.

I am sorry but the McCanns being made arguidos is not that odd or suspicious.
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Yes it is, they were made arguidos because the police believed they were responsible for the crime, so instead of you just making up stuff like "Its the same in the uk and portugal" which it isnt.

Provide proof that the police didn't think they were really suspects and it was a formal thing.

The proof it wasnt formal was the person who made the decision to make them arguidos clearly thought they were responsible for her disappearence hence the book he wrote.
 
You can't really say that, that's not what arguidos means. It's more about letting the suspect avail themselves to due process type rights.
 
If you give your child a sedative to sleep do you hover by the bed all night to make sure they don't vomit?
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You keep writing that like its normal/acceptable behaviour to sedate children.
 
jargon buster said:
You keep writing that like its normal/acceptable behaviour to sedate children.
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No I don't. I just know people do it. And it's not normal or acceptable but it does happen. I've posted information earlier linking to websites where people ask for advice on traveling on long distant plane rides and the "not acceptable" advice is to give them benadryl.

Something being common is not the same thing as something being right. Several of my friends buy one ticket to the movie theater and sneak into other shows for free. As a former movie theater assistant manager, I think it's stealing and it's wrong. My friends roll their eyes at me as making a big deal out of nothing.


Here's a game


Go to google and start typing in these words......


using benadryl to.....


Look at what automatically comes up as options..... help kids sleep, help children sleep.

Here's one

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/lifesty...ive-allergy-drugs-to-calm-kids-before-flying/


Keep in mind, they were on vacation, I'm not suggesting this was standard practice at home.
 
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erwinl said:
Could you show that please? I haven't seen that.
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That was largely in reference to how the issue seems to be regarded in other forums (after a bit of Googling before posting), but even here:

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IamFreeCanIGo said:
The only things i claim are.

1) they were negligent.
2) There is some suspicious elements to the case
3) The police did think they were responsible for her disappearence at one point.
4) Its possible and not beyone logic they could have sedated her
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4 is an unsupported and in my opinion illogical speculation. Abduction by a UFO is possible.
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That's clearly an appeal to absurdity on Lionking's part.

For conversations sake. It is possible that Madeleine was sedated. But to give that possibility the status of probability, would need some serious evidence. Evidence which I haven't seen here yet.
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I never said it was a probability, just that - contrary to what some people have suggested - it is a possibility.
 
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catsmate1 said:
Seriously? :eye-poppi:eek:
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Not that I've heard of. Perhaps you can show otherwise?
It may have happened in other cases, though you've provided no evidence, but that doesn't in the slightest support the suggestion that it happened in this case.
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Well, I originally remarked that it was something that was suggested to me in the early days of the case by a qualified nurse, someone I knew well enough as a colleague, and who I wouldn't have thought would be into just making something like that up.
There's no evidence that Madeleine McCann wasn't kidnapped by the Illuminati either.
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Ah, another appeal to absurdity there....
More baseless speculation.
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So you believe no medical professional would ever sedate their own child?

In any case, adding up bogus charity collectors and recent burglaries (criminal activity in a tourist resort - who would have though?) to the sum of a pre-meditated abduction seems pretty far out to me.
 
No I don't. I just know people do it. And it's not normal or acceptable but it does happen. I've posted information earlier linking to websites where people ask for advice on traveling on long distant plane rides and the "not acceptable" advice is to give them benadryl.
and then get off the plane at the other end and leave them unattended whilst you pick up your luggage.

You seem to keep hovering around the "acceptable" area of drugging kids.
You say it isnt then make statements like this
If you give your child a sedative to sleep do you hover by the bed all night to make sure they don't vomit?
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If you thought it was totally unacceptable you shouldn't even be considering it.
 
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