Continuation Part Six: Discussion of the Amanda Knox/Raffaele Sollecito case

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parallels with the Ramsey murder case

Candace Dempsey and John Douglas are on the pro guilt people's list of evil ones simply because they spoke out against the prosecution's case. At that point, the normal rule of web discussions takes over. Attacking a person is easier than a logical argument regarding the evidence.

Many people believe they can tell Amanda is guilty based on behavioral clues. But at the same time they dismiss the opinion of John Douglas, who is an expert in the field of criminal behavior.
Thanks. Concise and right on the money, as usual. I have just finished reading "Law and Disorder," his latest book with his coauthor, Mark Olshaker, and it is enormously informative. There are some parallels between the present case and the Ramsey murder case in Colorado. The crime scene was not well investigated, investigators ran amuck with their hunches, and the general populace engaged in a bunch of dimestore psychological theorizing.
 
Assertions about Stefanoni from posters instead may well be based on nothing. There isn't a denial from a direct source. There is no document reporting an alleged false statement by Stefanoni, there is no official source about any alleged Stefanoni's lie or improper conduct. There is no document about any defence request, which would be the equivalent of an official denial.

Nice, but irrelevant. We aren't talking about 'official documents' - indeed, if the allegations were true, there would be no 'official documents' as the supression of such documents is part of the allegations.

It's almost as if you don't actually understand what is being alleged.


What expressed about Stefanoni in this thread is not criticism.
Criticism is an opinion expressed upon facts.
These are false allegations. They are unfounded and obviously false statements, which just allege events and facts that did not take place.

Then point to the official documents of the process that proved that these are false statements.

You can't, obviously, as they've yet to be tested 'officially'. But the most important point that you're missing is that you cannot deny them using the same criteria that you are requesting be used to substantiate them.

Under your own parameters of what you will and will not accept, you cannot deny the allegations or make any statement calling them false.

You've essentially argued that your own opinion has no validity. You've trapped yourself in your own pedantry.

This is otherwise known as 'cutting off your nose to spite your face' , or 'shooting yourself in the foot'.

As you have no official documents that you can use to deny the allegations, I expect you will stop denying the allegations.

You won't, of course, you'll find some slimy way to say that you actually meant something else (that you just happened to have made up just now) and that it was what you always meant from the beginning - just like you always do.

What a waste of time.
 
It does not investigate possibility of laboratory contamination but assumes it, without checking the records (105 tests were performed by the machine over the 6 days, in which no contamination showed up).

It's not 6 days; at most it's 5 days. (11/7 to 11/11).

Exactly which "machine" are you referring to? Extraction machine, amplification machine, speedvac or capillary electrophoresis machine?

Are any of these "105" tests from the kercher murder?

Since the prosecution is making this "6 day" argument, then of course they should produce the records to prove the claim. But they haven't and won't because they are dishonest.
 
Perhaps, Officer tsig - It appears much bigger than that !!!

Yes, it's a worldwide conspiracy, cartwheels in cop-houses is serious business.

Y'know, back in Oz we used to fake murder charges against young girls who failed to drop a proper curtsy let alone did gymnastics in the station house.
 
Yes, it's a worldwide conspiracy, cartwheels in cop-houses is serious business.

Y'know, back in Oz we used to fake murder charges against young girls who failed to drop a proper curtsy let alone did gymnastics in the station house.

WTF? Just, WTF?

Hello? HELLO!!??
 
Yes, it's a worldwide conspiracy, cartwheels in cop-houses is serious business.

Y'know, back in Oz we used to fake murder charges against young girls who failed to drop a proper curtsy let alone did gymnastics in the station house.

"Cop-houses"? Is that a clever "variation" on "cop-shop", or something?

Please, just retire graciously, once and for all.
 
So what exactly was the point of the transexual guy/girl's evidence then? Are we now supposed to believe it was a mafia hit?
 
OK - several minutes, and no "witty" one-liner - draw your own conclusions.

Mine is that there is no "wit".
 
Oh come on, I asked a sensible question. What was the point of that witness who claimed his brother killed Meredith? That doesn't fit with either prosecution or defense.
 
So what exactly was the point of the transexual guy/girl's evidence then? Are we now supposed to believe it was a mafia hit?

The prosecution had hoped that Aviello would implicate Bongiorno in an attempted bribe. They would have believed her only then.
 
For newcomers to the forum here - meet MachiavellI!

I would really not want to do that Bill
 
<snip>On the knife she was reporting from your link - An odd remark considering Knox is the only American in the trio and nobody is claiming she pulled the knife (in fact it belonged to her Italian boyfriend). The owner doesn’t call Americans rich and spoiled, but that’s the stereotype in Italy. (Update: That knife was found not to be the murder weapon. The true weapon has still not been identified.)

On November 10th how would she know from Seattle if someone were claiming that she pulled the knife (whatever that means) and since she was with "her Italian boyfriend" why would knife ownership be key? You are correct on the update but what a sloppy job not dating it when made or at least at some time later when she should have noticed how it read.<snip>

Judge Claudia Matteini's report justifying the arrests was released on November 9th. In the report, Matteini claimed the murder weapon was the knife owned by Raffaele.
 
The report is complete trash.
It makes up the non-existence of negative controls.
It bases its contamination claim on the idea that everything is possible.
It does not answer a main judge's quesition (see if a contamination scenario is plausible). It does not fulfill the main judge's request (test the DNA that you can find on the knife).
It does not investigate possibility of laboratory contamination but assumes it, without checking the records (105 tests were performed by the machine over the 6 days, in which no contamination showed up).
Vecchiottie lies in court about the quantification (findes 120 picograms of DNA but asserts she found only 5 in court).
Discusses attribution of bra clasp X-haplotype without taking into consideration the Y-haplotype profile for the interpretation.
Invokes interpretation guidelines which violate the procedure code.

It's only a few details.
The report indeed speaks by itself.

And, as Welshman asked, did the prosecution complain about it or about the authors? Have they included these objections to the report in their new appeal?
 
So what exactly was the point of the transexual guy/girl's evidence then? Are we now supposed to believe it was a mafia hit?

1) Get him to say he was bribed to say his brother and an accomplice murdered Meredith by Bongiorno or doc Solecito

2)Get him to make a statement that Raffaele confessed to him while in prison together

Either of these given in evidence could be used by the Italian criminal justice system to falsely claim that they are not a pack of lying framing evidence planting incompetent fools

But for some reason,despite the possibility of great advantage to himself,Aviello failed to take the bait and lie for the great Mignini

I wonder why he did that now,maybe just maybe Machiavelli will tell us
 
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