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Akhenaten said:
By the way, while I have your attention, you seem to have missed this post of mine:
Akhenaten said:
I want to learn and understand why the LDS... before I decide on my chosen level of agreement.

Please help me.
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No Akhenaten I did not miss it. Our Heavenly Father does not reveal all to us, and to those who reject what He has revealed, even less is given.
 
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Janadele said:
No it is not, and I shall not respond to any further bulliying to comment.
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Bullying? Asking you to support yuor arguments with evidence is "bullying"?

When do you intend to address your odd idea that something that happens among consenting adults in private can in any way affect you?

He thing that you are missing is that you are welcome to believe the odd superstitions or whatever cult to which you find yourself in thrall. You do err when you assume that your belief gives you the right to impose it upon everyone else. Hate gay people at home, with the blinds drawn, all you want to. Just keep your hatred out of my legal system.
 
In my experience, Mormons seem to be really concerned about the sanctity of other peoples' marriages. I mentioned to a Mormon I worked with a few years ago that my wife and I had gotten married in the Episcopal church (hers) and then six years later had the marriage blessed by the Catholic church (mine). He said, "But what happens if, on judgment day, you find out that this blessing by the Catholic church wasn't legitimate, and didn't mean anything at all?"

To the best of my recollection, I just shrugged and replied: "Nothing."
 
I address this to Janadele, but I include all posters in this, and other similar, threads, and everyone who has posted on JREF:

Janadele:

I was wrong, and I apologize.

You are correct. You diod not use the term "disgusting" to refer to a person, or to people. Here is the relevant post at which I did err:
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=9512104#post9512104

You did, in fact use the phrase, "immoral, disgusting, and abhorrent lifestyle". and I was wrong to have misspoken.

You appear, however, to be willing to equivocate "activity", and "lifestyle".
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=9524688#post9524688

You may notice that I have been asking you a repeated question about how an "activity" taking place among consenting adults, in private, can affect you at all.

In other words, how do you, personally, distinguish between an "activity", and a "lifestyle"?

Not that I expect you to substantively respond.

Again, I do apologize for my error. I should have been more careful, and will continue to work to be more so in the future.
 
Janadele said:
Pup, There are many legal ramifications which could be the topic for another thread. For this LDS thread, sufficient to say same sex civil unions do not and should not require or need to use the word marriage, which is sacred to the union of a man and a woman.
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"Marriage" predates not only the Mormon Church, but Christianity itself. You have no exclusive right to it.

Besides, as I pointed out to you before, it's not "just a word." Same sex civil Unions, even when they exist in a state, do NOT offer all the legal protections and benefits that marriage offers.
 
Janadele said:
Is it so difficult to start another thread? It is not appropriate to this LDS thread to discuss further the legal and political implications and ramifications.
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That's not your call to make. That's up to the people involved in the discussion and the moderators who have the power to split the thread.

Besides, this is a FASCINATING question about LDS doctrine. We're looking at the intersection of religious freedom and theological dogma and some apparent hypocrisy on the pat of the LDS church. Denying homosexuals the right to marry requires applying a religious argument to secular law, something forbidden in the constitution. Without America's freedom of religion, the LDS Church ITSELF would not exist, as Smith and his followers would have been executed as heretics.
 
abaddon said:
Jebus H. Spaghetti Monster, bring on the local religious bedroom inspectors. Nobody expects the mormon inquisition!
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This Mormon Inquisition
Is quite an Imposition
As the probe the position
In which I proposition
My lovely, faithful wife!

All kidding aside, Janadele, did you know about this? What's your position on it? Do you stick to your hard line adherence to LDS doctrine on sexual matters?
 
skyrider44 said:
That's quite a confession.

Virtually every LDS boy and girl age 9 or 10 knows that the millennium will be preceded by radical changes in the earth and earth life in preparation for the Second Coming of the Savior. D&C 101:24 indicates that "every corruptible thing. . .shall be consumed." Many hereon will mock that passage, but the fact remains that they were ignorant of a basic LDS belief, all the while pretending to be well-informed--indeed, sterling critics--of Mormon doctrine.

Too, too funny.
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So what?

That's like saying, "My critic erroneously referred to our legends of the green-winged fairies, even though the fairies mentioned by our leader are clearly said to have pink wings. Too, too funny".

The fact remains that Mormonism is clearly shown to be fraudulent by overwhelming evidence. Correcting people regarding doctrinal details won't alter the fact that the Book Of Abraham is a clumsy fake, and that the Book Of Mormon is shown to be false by archaeological, paleontological, anthropological and genealogical evidence.
 
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