Continuation Part Six: Discussion of the Amanda Knox/Raffaele Sollecito case

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Here we go again, sigh.

(I mean ANOTHER trial begins.)

The Guardian just posted an article entitled "Meredith Kercher family asks Amanda Knox to stay away from grave." I gotta say: I think it's creepy of Knox to keep harping on her desire to visit Meredith's grave. She'd be far better off talking about how much liked Meredith and/or pleasant times they had together.

I know talk of the grave is just more of Knox's theatrical style and inability to understand how certain kinds of remarks are received. I still wish someone would tell her to knock it off.

I'm a dyed-in-the-wool PIP and I find such talk -- out of ALL THE THINGS she could talk about -- disturbing. I'm sure the Kerchers are horrified by it.
 
Wildhorses said:
Here we go again, sigh.

(I mean ANOTHER trial begins.)

The Guardian just posted an article entitled "Meredith Kercher family asks Amanda Knox to stay away from grave." I gotta say: I think it's creepy of Knox to keep harping on her desire to visit Meredith's grave. She'd be far better off talking about how much liked Meredith and/or pleasant times they had together.

I know talk of the grave is just more of Knox's theatrical style and inability to understand how certain kinds of remarks are received. I still wish someone would tell her to knock it off.

I'm a dyed-in-the-wool PIP and I find such talk -- out of ALL THE THINGS she could talk about -- disturbing. I'm sure the Kerchers are horrified by it.
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Agreed. She is a lousy spokesperson and the "creative writer" in her should be put on total hold.
 
Sherlock Holmes said:
I can not find a cite for that, perhaps it was wrapped in the common area, can you find a cite that states that, I will look some more. I always thought it was wrapped in Filomena's room. Amanda said trashed, Filomena said a disaster....

She said that, knowing by then that the window of her bedroom had been smashed, her first instinct on returning to the flat had been to go to her room. What she saw was "a disaster". Her clothes were on the floor and her cupboard was open. But none of her jewellery was missing, nor her designer sunglasses and handbags. Her laptop was among the clothes. She said there was glass on top of the pile of clothes: "I remember that in lifting the computer I realised that I was picking up bits of glass because there were bits of glass on top and it was all covered with glass."
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Sherlock it's your contention that it was wrapped in F's room. You need to provide the cite. As I said earlier, I recalled that Amanda and raf were sitting in the common area and F asked Amanda to wrap it.

christianahannah said:
I thought it was Laura who Amanda said asked this of her? Did Filomena do the same?
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I think you might be right.

billyryan said:
Sky news reporting that the retrial has started in Florence and that neither of the defendants,Raffaelle or Amanda are in court
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So much for the early announcement keeping that fact from being the headlines. They should have let it go until now and have it be the story only once.
 
halides1 said:
With a machine translation, it is difficult to tell what is being said. However, Dr. Balding does not believe that the extra alleles on the clasp are from Amanda, based on the PNAS article discussed here.
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Good morning.

I read it as saying that the DNA doesn't show the kids being there.

Maybe we will get a real translation from someone here.

The headline of today's story is "Guilty blah blah blah"

The court appears to be letting Patrick participate. Very strange system.

ETA - Maybe Patrick's presence will give the defense an opening to bring in the chief and other police to explain the "case closed" and "buckled" remarks. Without undermining the "accusing an innocent black man" meme I think the public as well as legal case battles will be steeply uphill.
 
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So far the defense has asked for additional testing on the rock, the window glass, audio tests, Merediths cell phone, and RS computer.

The prosecution opposes all these requests and asks for additional testing on the knife and calling Aveillo as a witness again.

The defense is OK with a retest of the knife and also wants it broken apart (handle removed) and seems a bit unsure on Aveillo (conflicting tweets on this).

The court will rule on requests in about 1.5 hours (in recess at the moment).
 
Patrick Lumumba weighs in

Grinder, If you were the defense, how would you approach the issue of Lumumba. He said publicly today that he thinks she is guilty, and he recently called her something to the effect of sneaky.
 
halides1 said:
Grinder, If you were the defense, how would you approach the issue of Lumumba. He said publicly today that he thinks she is guilty, and he recently called her something to the effect of sneaky.
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I don't think there is anything they can do directly about Lumumba. I certainly wouldn't recommend attacking him as he really is a victim, not of Amanda but rather the police.

I still think that getting the police to explain the interrogation and the remarks made the next day is key and vital. Make them explain why they were so sure that Patrick was involved BEFORE Amanda "buckled".

The defense needs to show that the interrogation set the whole investigation on a wrong track. They should pound the lack of recordings and even full transcripts.

They need to show that the statements she made were prompted and that she quickly wrote notes disclaiming the original statements.

Lumumba isn't the enemy nor are the Kerchers. Unfortunately both parties are allowed in the fact finding part of the trial, which makes them targets for criticism as they advocate for guilt rather than advocating solely for the truth. They should support every expert and every retest.

In a system that has already taken 6 years, how can they possibly argue that they don't have the time or resources to do the tests and review by independent experts?
 
Hi Halides1,
I think it'd be great to get Mr. Lumumba on the stand.

I'd definitely want to know if Patrick had access to a lawyer when he was arrested?
Was he too held in solitary until his 1st visit to see the Judge?
Also, was his house searched too? Closed to useage as it was the main suspects residence?
Were knives checked for blood+DNA?

It'd be kind of interesting if someone from the Defence contacted Antonia Hoyle from The Daily Mail and was then able to find out if she had audio recordings of that interview she did with Mr. Lumumba back in Nov. 2007.

And if she did so,
to then fly her out to Florence for a bit of court talk about police beatings...
 
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renting an airplane in Florence

Grinder said:
In a system that has already taken 6 years, how can they possibly argue that they don't have the time or resources to do the tests and review by independent experts?
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Someone needs to rent an airplane that can tow one of those banners, and fly this message above Florence. Apparently Crini argued against rehearing evidence.
 
As far as I can see no requests from the defence for them to be at last given the EDF's and the FSA's,why that
 
Proving contamination?

billyryan said:
As far as I can see no requests from the defence for them to be at last given the EDF's and the FSA's,why that
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Hi BillyRyan,
I found this on PMF.net:

No DNA evidence to place Amanda Knox at the murder scene
By Nick Squires

“How is it possible to find traces of Guede in enormous quantities but not a single trace of Amanda?” Ms Bongiorno, one of Italy’s top lawyers, asked.

“How is it possible that the only trace of Raffaele, which naturally we contest, was on the bra strap?”

Tiny traces of Mr Sollecito’s DNA were found on a strap torn from Miss Kercher’s bra.

But it was only found by forensic officers 46 days after the Leeds University student’s murder.

Defence lawyers maintain that it was inadvertently scuffed around the bedroom and subject to so much DNA contamination that it cannot be admitted as reliable evidence.

“We hope that this will be the last phase of this trial and we hope that it will concentrate solely and exclusively on the reliable evidence and not on conjecture,” Ms Bongiorno told the court.
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I wonder if Halides1 or Diocletus was ever able to discern whether Rudy Guede's DNA samples had other male contributors too, as the Bra Clasp certainly did?

If Guede's DNA samples did not have other male contributors on it,
that would be a great point to raise in court regarding probable contamination on that Bra Clasp...
 
RWVBWL said:
I wonder if Halides1 or Diocletus was ever able to discern whether Rudy Guede's DNA samples had other male contributors too, as the Bra Clasp certainly did?

If Guede's DNA samples did not have other male contributors on it,
that would be a great point to raise in court regarding probable contamination on that Bra Clasp...
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Still working on it. Here is a German link that mentions Dr. Balding.
 
not sure why they did not

billyryan said:
As far as I can see no requests from the defence for them to be at last given the EDF's and the FSA's,why that
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I am not sure. I would have asked, and not very politely, either. Possibly they did, but the news did not pick up on it.
 
A kangeroo court and unashamedly so,there was two witnesses who were in jail,one was a man who had kidnapped a child and murdered him,the other was a mafia member who claimed his brother had murdered Meredith,which one is Aviello,both of these things were requested by the prosecution and granted,all of the defence requests were rejected,I do not wish to be negative but this court is setting out its stall and is only interested in the prosecution case
 
Ampulla of Vater said:
So they rejected testing the semen. What a bunch of ridiculous people in charge over there.

ETA: Yes to checking the knife and yes to Aviello testimony.
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What a disgrace of a court. So, only check the evidence that can help with the conviction?
 
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