Latest Bigfoot "evidence"

[Correa Neto]

Please, let us be honest. It IS ridiculous. Giant apes at your backyard. Countless hoaxes. Anti-science positions. Failed attempts to reach a "GOTCHA skeptics!" moment.

Beyond a certain point, there are no reasons to avoid ridicule and satire.

 

[Resume]

This is a hobby for me and I've learned so much just from doing research on various topics that I wouldn't have if not involved.

I'm really interested in what you've learned, and if it could only have been learned because of your interest in this cryptid. After all, there's hunting, hiking, orienteering, birding, wildlife viewing, angling, off-road biking, x-country skiing . . . well, you get it.

 

[carlitos]

Thank you , I'll call Monday. Wasn't that easy? No addition of extra drama required though.

This was posted on Sunday the 15th. Waiting for next Monday, or what?

For crissake, one of the most popular threads over at the BFF is a guy posting about bigfoot in the Lake and Cook County, Illinois forest preserves. I can tell you what happens in those places and it is definitely not the traipsings of an undiscovered bipedal ape.

Indeed.

Employees at a Cook County Forest Preserve District aquatic center in Lyons were caught on tape stealing thousands of dollars, providing alcohol to minors and having sex at work, according to a report issued this afternoon by the county inspector general.

They also grow pot and have gay cruising. No bigfoot though.

 

[Resume]

They also grow pot and have gay cruising. No bigfoot though.

I knew a guy who cultivated cannibis and poached deer out of the same forest preserve. I used to practice deer-stalking at a Lake county preserve that's probably quite near where that BFF feller imagines he's hearing bigfoot snapping twigs and throwing apples.

 

[smartcooky]

IMO, this is not the forum for people to

► proclaim they have seen a cryptid but provide no documentary evidence in support.
► proclaim they have evidence of a cryptid, but refuse to reveal what it is!

Most skeptics here accept "extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence" as an axiom. Posters who come here with extraordinary claims (and the existence of cryptids certainly fits that description), but without any supporting evidence whatsoever, can expect to field some searching questions, and if they still refuse to back up their claims with evidence, they can expect at the least to be not taken seriously, at the worst, to face pubic ridicule.

I think a lot of skeptics here suffer from "fallacy fatigue"; they have seen all this before; it has always come to nothing and they consider that it will always come to nothing. They become impatient with the liars, cheats and frauds that seem to inhabit the world of the cryptid believer.

My requirements for belief are;
Show me the body (dead or alive)
Show me scientific studies (done by independent scientists/biologists)
Show me the irrefutable evidence of the cryptid's existence.

If they cannot do all of that, then they shouldn't bother coming here until they can.

 

[Jodie]

I here you cooky, I don't understand why anyone would even bother to respond if that is how they actually feel, and to the extent that they do.

 

[Vortigern99]

I here you cooky, I don't understand why anyone would even bother to respond if that is how they actually feel, and to the extent that they do.

Because we're here to refute baloney. Are you genuinely unaware of this?

 

[Jodie]

No, but I get the impression it's a lost cause when the footers think they are seeing the creatures, whether they are lying or not about it, why engage?

 

[Jodie]

Reflecting back, I really never had much to say about any photo I ever looked at of a supposed bigfoot. I literally never see anything other than light and shadow of the landscape.

The worst example that comes to mind was Trapper's videos. It was nothing but colored artifact after artifact and I finally had to say something on the BFF when a few swore up and down that they saw a bigfoot family crawling all around the video.

Even before I arrived here, I was losing patience, now I'm just kind of like...."well whatever, knock yourself out looking for the rainbow connection."

The point I was trying to make earlier was that you feed the phenomena when you present opposition rather than putting an end to the madness. The extremes that I see everyone going to here is the same identical behavior that I see from the trolling proponents that fly over her for a few posts. You guys are too easily spun up, don't feed the beast.

 

[Mister Earl]

I disagree. If nobody bothered to wave the bollocks flag, they'd use that as evidence bigfoot exists. And then bilk more people out of money.

 

[Vortigern99]

No, but I get the impression it's a lost cause when the footers think they are seeing the creatures, whether they are lying or not about it, why engage?

Why does this forum exist? Why does anyone make any attempt, ever, to refute the wild claims of purveyors of the paranormal? I mean, why bother? Just let them spew lies, defraud the gullible and swell their own ranks with wide-eyed young people looking for something marvellous to believe?

Why are you even here?

 

[Dinwar]

No, but I get the impression it's a lost cause when the footers think they are seeing the creatures, whether they are lying or not about it, why engage?

The defense of the sanctity of a related field of study.

The point I was trying to make earlier was that you feed the phenomena when you present opposition rather than putting an end to the madness.

NOTHING can end it. It'll be going on for at least another thousand years (Philip J. Fry).

 

[Vortigern99]

The extremes that I see everyone going to here is the same identical behavior that I see from the trolling proponents that fly over her for a few posts. You guys are too easily spun up, don't feed the beast.

"Everyone" is an exaggeration, and is an example of the very "extremes" you're reproaching us for supposedly engaging in.

I for one don't engage in these supposed "extremes", get "spun up" or "feed the beast". Many members here are still more moderate, educated and reasoned in their argumentation than I am. The above quote from Jodie is a gross exaggeration, which I find ironic.

 

[eerok]

The point I was trying to make earlier was that you feed the phenomena when you present opposition rather than putting an end to the madness. The extremes that I see everyone going to here is the same identical behavior that I see from the trolling proponents that fly over her for a few posts. You guys are too easily spun up, don't feed the beast.

Nah.

There's hardly a point to being on JREF if you're not willing to engage those for whom your most meticulously crafted remarks will almost always go unheard, for whom your logic will go unfathomed, and who will dismiss your facts as quickly as they would a stripped chicken bone. There's no glory to be found here.

Skepticism is about standing up for something, not about winning anything.

 

[Jodie]

Why does this forum exist? Why does anyone make any attempt, ever, to refute the wild claims of purveyors of the paranormal? I mean, why bother? Just let them spew lies, defraud the gullible and swell their own ranks with wide-eyed young people looking for something marvellous to believe?

Why are you even here?

If you think someone is genuinely perpetuating fraud then I see the point, and I agree. I don't see every proponent drifting here as being in that category.

You ( as in plural, not specific to one person) reinforce belief when you bulldoze over proponents like Chris, since a belief in bigfoot seems to need opposition to maintain momentum as a result of lack of evidence. This promotes the opposite effect of the intent of the forum.

 

[desertgal]

If you think someone is genuinely perpetuating fraud then I see the point, and I agree. I don't see every proponent drifting here as being in that category.

You ( as in plural, not specific to one person) reinforce belief when you bulldoze over proponents like Chris, since a belief in bigfoot seems to need opposition to maintain momentum as a result of lack of evidence. This promotes the opposite effect of the intent of the forum.

I don't believe you've even read this thread carefully. Please show examples where people "bulldozed" over Chris.

You won't, I predict.

 

[dafydd]

If you think someone is genuinely perpetuating fraud then I see the point, and I agree. I don't see every proponent drifting here as being in that category.

You ( as in plural, not specific to one person) reinforce belief when you bulldoze over proponents like Chris, since a belief in bigfoot seems to need opposition to maintain momentum as a result of lack of evidence. This promotes the opposite effect of the intent of the forum.

Asking for evidence instead of campfire stories is bulldozing? I disagree.

 

[Wolrab]

I found two tables that all fossils from hominids would not cover. Table Mesa and the water table. So Chris' statement is true, you darned skeptics.

 

[JoeMorgue]

I here you cooky, I don't understand why anyone would even bother to respond if that is how they actually feel, and to the extent that they do.

Because arguing with a brick wall is not always for the brick wall's benefit.

This whole "You're never gonna change their mind, why are you wasting your time?" mentality is both incrediably defeatist and seems rather counter to the whole purpose of this or any other discussion board.

 

[The Shrike]

Posted in the "Real Soon" thread, but probably belongs here: Josh Stevens' analysis of BFRO sightings distribution.