11, including child, 3, shot in Chicago park

Of course you did.

That's what the gun people are all about. The solution is to have more guns and get the women and children off the streets and out of the line of fire.

Gun nuts have regressed back to the wild wild west (or at least what they envision it in their wet dreams). As a society, our maturity is devolving.
 
BenBurch said:
Local gun laws cannot have any real effect unless the borders are sealed.

Since you cannot do that, such laws are symbolic only.

What is needed is a national licensing law requiring practical and medical testing, background checks, and provision of continuing insurance, registration of every legal gun with formal title, annual inspection of all registered guns by a licensed gunsmith, and very Draconian penalties for violations of the law such that nobody would take that ridiculous risk.
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WHich amounts to a de facto ban to all except the wealthy.

As for "Draconian Penalaties", we tried that with booze and drugs and it did not work. Won't work any better with guns.

And what you suggest has about the chance of a snowball in hell of being enacted.

But keep tilting at your windmills, Don Quixote, while some of us look for a solution that actually has a chance of becoming law.....
 
DavidJames said:
Of course you did.

That's what the gun people are all about. The solution is to have more guns and get the women and children off the streets and out of the line of fire.

Gun nuts have regressed back to the wild wild west (or at least what they envision it in their wet dreams). As a society, our maturity is devolving.
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Love the stereotyping of all gun owners as Nuts.

In different way, you and Ben are just a fanatic as the over the top NRA types you hate. And you feed on each other.
 
Reports are now that this was indeed a gang related shooting, and carried out with an "assault rifle", by which they mean a common, ordinary, rifle.

So it was a pretty rare event, likely carried out with a gun that is totally banned in the city and county.

Likely a "chopper", the gang name for an AK-47.
 
What I find most interesting about the conversation around mass shootings is that everyone comes away more entrenched in their current position than they were before - regardless of what that position might be.
 
BenBurch said:
Local gun laws cannot have any real effect unless the borders are sealed.

Since you cannot do that, such laws are symbolic only.

What is needed is a national licensing law requiring practical and medical testing, background checks, and provision of continuing insurance, registration of every legal gun with formal title, annual inspection of all registered guns by a licensed gunsmith, and very Draconian penalties for violations of the law such that nobody would take that ridiculous risk.
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Almost ALL of what you're suggesting, is unconstitutional. I'll take less time, and hilite what's not.

The bolded is just silly, and would accomplish nothing, other than costing millions of millions of dollars.
 
DavidJames said:
Of course you did.

That's what the gun people are all about. The solution is to have more guns and get the women and children off the streets and out of the line of fire.

Gun nuts have regressed back to the wild wild west (or at least what they envision it in their wet dreams). As a society, our maturity is devolving.
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Wow, completely fact free post. Nice job. :rolleyes:

Do you have anything, you know, worthwhile to post? Or, you know, factual?
 
Nessie said:
Lots of guns, easy access for criminals, lack enforcement and insufficient punishment = gun problems.

It is hardly rocket science, but it is still beyond the abilities of Chicago's leaders and CJ system to deal with.
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Only because people with the right attitude about gangs and gangsters/gang members aren't playing out there any more.
 
Nessie said:
Lots of guns, easy access for criminals, lack enforcement and insufficient punishment = gun problems.

It is hardly rocket science, but it is still beyond the abilities of Chicago's leaders and CJ system to deal with.
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So many of Chicago's leaders are crooked and in bed with the gangs. To truly fix the situation would require that new unconnected leadership come to Chicago. An unlikely event if ever.
 
Cleon said:
What I find most interesting about the conversation around mass shootings is that everyone comes away more entrenched in their current position than they were before - regardless of what that position might be.
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Because pretty much every mass shooting/assault proves the same points each time. The interpretations of those points are personal point of view. The base point of any and all mass shootings is there was not sufficient security. The kicker point is there will never be enough security depending on the devices and capabilities of the assailant and the selection of assault sites available.
 
The Central Scrutinizer said:
If that 3 year old had been armed, he could have defended himself
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These sorts of events are simply the inevitable consequences of America's attitude to gun ownership. To be completely honest I'm surprised people even bother to post these sorts of things. Aren't you all used to them by now?
 
Wow. Yeah, more ignorance from people who don't live here. With all due respect gumboot, you're wrong in your assumption. It's not a gun or a law problem. It's a people problem. Chicago has banned handguns for years. No carrying outside of your home. At all. There's proof positive that it's a people problem.
 
triforcharity said:
Almost ALL of what you're suggesting, is unconstitutional. I'll take less time, and hilite what's not.

The bolded is just silly, and would accomplish nothing, other than costing millions of millions of dollars.
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I think annual, in person, registration of all firearms- far from being silly, is the most likely way to combat guns getting into the hands of criminals. Since a law abiding citizen cannot be stopped from purchasing a gun, the responsibility for keeping that gun out of the hands of a criminal falls upon the owner.
If I faced a stiff penalty for not being able to produce my legal firearm once per year for registration, I would be a hell of a lot less likely to lose it, give it away, or let it be stolen.

I have actually been guilty of losing a shotgun. Had it in a closet twenty years and four addresses ago- no idea where it ended up.
 
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I'm not a fan, but if the government in Chicago was half as incompetent or evil as the people here made it out to be... I don't even know. It is far too easy to announce such simple, ludicrous explanations.

And that 3 year old was definitely a gang banger.

And yes, while Chicago, and Illinois generally, have had stricter laws, there is the obvious problem of weapon flow from everywhere else.

More than a quarter of the firearms seized on the streets here by the Chicago Police Department over the past five years were bought just outside city limits in Cook County suburbs, according to an analysis by the University of Chicago Crime Lab. Others came from stores around Illinois and from other states, like Indiana, less than an hour’s drive away. Since 2008, more than 1,300 of the confiscated guns, the analysis showed, were bought from just one store, Chuck’s Gun Shop in Riverdale, Ill., within a few miles of Chicago’s city limits.
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Linky.
 
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Tsukasa Buddha said:
I'm not a fan, but if the government in Chicago was half as incompetent or evil as the people here made it out to be... I don't even know. It is far too easy to announce such simple, ludicrous explanations.

And that 3 year old was definitely a gang banger.

And yes, while Chicago, and Illinois generally, have had stricter laws, there is the obvious problem of weapon flow from everywhere else.



Linky.
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Why shouldn't the legal purchasers of these guns be held responsible for what happened to them?
 
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