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Do you think that it's a mental health issue... believing in a large creature that doesn't exist? Is that fundamentally a delusion regardless of how it was arrived at? Is there a way to explain Bigfoot belief or "knowing" where it isn't a delusion?
 
I'm not panicking at all. Even if Sykes has gone off the Bigfoot deep end, there is still peer review and scientific consensus. The process prevents one persons subjective bias from becoming accepted canon in a field. For example, I suspect this is why we get no peer reviewed papers from Meldrum, Bindernagel and Krantz. Instead we get cute little field guides and other books that are simply an extended opinion piece.

I have trust that if Sykes is wandering off the reservation, then his findings will not be corroborated.

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I agree, if his findings are not conclusive they will not pass peer review. Simple as that. There's no need for anyone to start slinging mud at the man.
 
^^ Not sure who that question was aimed at, but I'll take a stab. I am not that familiar with clinical definition of the pathology. It seems, however, that a distinction is made between delusion as a strong belief in something despite strong evidence to the contrary, and dogma, which is belief based on false or incomplete information. Delusion does seem to be a mental illness.

So it's still a bit tough to answer and there will be no one size fits all. I think some are truly deluded and mentally ill. Absolutely. Some, most I would say, are simply full of crap. And others are simply latching on to the evidence that they think supports the claim and holding on for dear life no matter what.
 
When we see screaming enthusiastic fans at a "pro wrestling" match we don't think of them as deluded even though they act exactly as if they were watching a real battle instead of scripted acting. So it adds a complication if Bigfooters are pretending to believe or to know.
 
Speaking of nut-job researchers, I think Henner's name should be added to the list.
And don't forget Daris Swindler's opinion of the Skookum Elk Lay.
 
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I agree, if his findings are not conclusive they will not pass peer review. Simple as that. There's no need for anyone to start slinging mud at the man.

I don't think Meldrum's papers were ever peer reviewed. Sykes might be the same.

As far as mudslinging... I feel it's mostly ok to do that now after seeing the picture of him scraping Smeja's boot. It seems to be a really stupid thing to do. Like something we would have seen Krantz do.
 
I think that taking bigfoot seriously enough to devote valuable resources to it, hanging around with prominent footers, being on a bigfoot "team", etc., are all reasons to question a scientist's objectivity.

It's actually pretty sad to see scientists start down that road. I hope Sykes gets off the bus in time.

It's also sad to see people like Chris waste their money and years of their lives on a hoax perpetrated by a prankster and a con man decades ago.

He'll likely be a sad old man in 20 years, no closer to bigfoot than 51 feet, but still searching. With no way to ever get the time back.

Krantz got so desperate that he just outright decided to shoot one. So he rode slowly around the back roads, alone at night in his car, with a rifle and a spotlight...

Pretty pathetic. He's lucky he didn't get arrested as a poacher.

Is that going to be you, Chris?
 
I don't think Meldrum's papers were ever peer reviewed. Sykes might be the same.

As far as mudslinging... I feel it's mostly ok to do that now after seeing the picture of him scraping Smeja's boot. It seems to be a really stupid thing to do. Like something we would have seen Krantz do.

WP,
As a skeptic you know that we shouldn't jump to conclusions until we see the report.

Just the facts, sir.
 
The only saving grace in the time spent Footin, or whatever they call it, is that it's outdoors in forests. I am an avid hiker and enjoy every second I spend on the trail Especially now that fall is just around the corner. We get some spectacular views here in Ontario.

It could be worse, they could be looking for alligators in the sewers all that time.
 
Dmaker, so many Bigfooters do their pastime at the computer and not in the woods. It can be a hobby and obsession for a complete recluse. They also have the opportunity to fabricate a sighting report without ever leaving the house.
 
^ That's very true WP. Though I wonder if that personality type that is prone to obsessive or delusional pathology would find something to focus on if not Bigfoot. Perhaps martian civilizations...
 
I will tell you that Sykes is going to publish a paper in a major scientific publication. The paper will be about Bigfoot and Yeti DNA. It will not be the type of paper Bigfooter's dreams are counting on.

It will be DNA Testing of Purported Cryto-Creatures Resembles Normal Creatures, or something like that.
 
^ That's very true WP. Though I wonder if that personality type that is prone to obsessive or delusional pathology would find something to focus on if not Bigfoot. Perhaps martian civilizations...

9/11 conspiracies, Government cover ups, UFO landings etc...
 
I will tell you that Sykes is going to publish a paper in a major scientific publication. The paper will be about Bigfoot and Yeti DNA. It will not be the type of paper Bigfooter's dreams are counting on.

It will be DNA Testing of Purported Cryto-Creatures Resembles Normal Creatures, or something like that.


Bigfeets know how to disguise their DNA so that it mimics common creatures.
 
When we see screaming enthusiastic fans at a "pro wrestling" match we don't think of them as deluded even though they act exactly as if they were watching a real battle instead of scripted acting. So it adds a complication if Bigfooters are pretending to believe or to know.

The difference is public exposure.

It wasn't that long ago that personalities such as Bobby the Brain Heenan, or Jerry the King Lawler were receiving legitimate death threats. In the old days, it wasn't uncommon for a skilled or particularly inciting "heel" to have their car smashed up in the parking lot, or bum-rushed by rabid fans at the end of the show.

Wrestling was real back then for that guy smashing up the heel's car, or getting in his face at the end of the show. When the WWF started empire building and squashing the smaller circuits, it became "sports entertainment"
 
Excuse me but we were talking about obtaining primate DNA. I've worked with primates before and although I did not perform the actual DNA testing to determine the genetic line of the individuals being tested, each test was accomplished by drawing a blood sample from the subject.
I don't believe you. If you'd done DNA work you'd know that blood degrades. If you were drawing blood from a specimen directly, sure, it's an okay way to do it--not fantastic by any means (cheek swabs, for example, would be FAR superior), but drawing blood is easy.

Here's the thing, though: if these researchers were drawing blood from a specimen directly they would have a specimen. This entire conversation would be pointless; they coulud simply photograph the specimen and be done with it. They haven't, so any alleged experience you have with sampling primate DNA is irrelevant here. We're not talking about sampling a chimp ina zoo; we're talking about obtaining DNA from an unknown source with unknown contamination and degredation.

There were and are other informations that can be gleened from such samples, but DNA test samples were never taken from the fecal material, only the blood.
This is a lie. I've demonstrated that they are. You can say that YOU'VE never done it, but to say it's never done is to reject clear-cut scientific evidence. This, by the way, is why I don't believe you've done any research. Again, your refusal to actually acknowledge scientific data has destroyed your credibility. Your failure to apply basic scientific analysis to the problem at hand further erodes any remaining shreds of it.

When you actually care to treat this as a scientific discussion, let me know. I'm not going to waste further time on you otherwise. You obviously are not willing to admit errors, even when they are conclusively demonstrated to be errors, and there's no point talking to people like that.

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I think that taking bigfoot seriously enough to devote valuable resources to it, hanging around with prominent footers, being on a bigfoot "team", etc., are all reasons to question a scientist's objectivity.

It's actually pretty sad to see scientists start down that road. I hope Sykes gets off the bus in time.
Not necessarily. Bigfoot believers have a lot of money, and the complete lack of results doesn't cause them to cut funding the way it does for the NSF or other grant-issuing organizations. That means that, if you're careful, you can use them to fund research that would otherwise go undone. I still like the idea of training a hoard of believers to identify mammal fossils and have them pay to volunteer at museums, identifying their collections (with quarterly refresher courses, $150 or three easy payments of $50/month!). They're happy, because they're looking for bigfoot; the museums are happy, because someone's sorting their collections; I'm happy, because I'm filthy stinking rich.
 
Bigfoot believers have a lot of money, and the complete lack of results doesn't cause them to cut funding the way it does for the NSF or other grant-issuing organizations. That means that, if you're careful, you can use them to fund research that would otherwise go undone. I still like the idea of training a hoard of believers to identify mammal fossils and have them pay to volunteer at museums, identifying their collections (with quarterly refresher courses, $150 or three easy payments of $50/month!). They're happy, because they're looking for bigfoot; the museums are happy, because someone's sorting their collections; I'm happy, because I'm filthy stinking rich.

I suppose you would also like those Bigfoot believers to be honest, non-malicious, non-manipulative and trustworthy as they are given free access to the fossil drawers.

And of course you don't want a situation where they flag every fifth fossil they look at demanding "you need to take a long hard look at this fragment because it looks Squatchy to me." But that's how a Bigfoot fossil would be found in your scenario - that's the carrot you hang in front of their faces. They would even want to look in the drawers of bird fossils because gosh darn it something Squatchy could have been put in the wrong drawer.
 
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