Sunday, September 01, 2013 - Posting this screencap here for posterity.

[LSSBB]

Crap like this is why its so tempting to go the Alex Jones route and just make money off of conspiracists. If they can uncritically fall for these kinds of internet postings, sheesh. All you need to do is add "the government doesn't want you to see" and "one weird trick" and some FMOTL, SovCit or Prepper scam and watch the money roll in.

 

[Robrob]

I didn't say whether it would happen or not, I was simply posting it to see what if.

Please, please promise us you will return here on September 7th.

 

[wollclark]

Please, please promise us you will return here on September 7th.

I don't understand this response. I didn't make any big claims. I just found a picture of someone who claimed to know something, so I posted it for posterity purposes on this board about conspiracies.

 

[Mojo]

Well, when it doesn't happen, they'll claim that their brave exposè caused the NWO to change their nefarious plans. You can have it both ways in CT land.

That was one of Luci's excuses:

Posted 12th May 2004: "Prediction - August 4th 2004"

I percieve that something awful will occur that day. An attack on a Western target (UK, USA, Europe).

Posted 5th August 2004:

Thankfully, the CIA, FBI, DIA, MI5 etc pre-empted any attack planned for the 4th August with the unprecedented heightened security on major Western targets.

In addition, on the 4th August, MI5 managed to arrest up to 12 terrorists in the UK who were planning an attack on Heathrow.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3537462.stm.

Like the 'Ladybrook' perception, it seems that attacks may not necessarily take place, they may be thwarted either bu intelligence tip-offs, or other action taken between the time of perception and the planned time of the attack. Obviously, the intelligence reports from the major agencies have proved that attacks were planned for this time, yet the correct application of intelligence can defeat terrorism if they act on all lines of communication.

I have percieved 19th September as another high risk window for similar attacks and hope and pray that the intelligence agancies agian act to thwart such an attack.

Peace.

Posted 20th September 2004:

Thankfully the security forces prompt action saved what would have been a terrible attack.

 

[timhau]

I don't understand this response. I didn't make any big claims. I just found a picture of someone who claimed to know something, so I posted it for posterity purposes on this board about conspiracies.

Yes, and when nothing happens, you didn't even believe in it at all.

 

[Ladewig]

If I were one of the ten or twelve people that knew about this in advance and I decided to publicize it, I would not mention how many kids I had. But, I guess, that's just me.

Also, I would not put it on the internet as a random page.

 

[Ladewig]

I don't understand this response. I didn't make any big claims. I just found a picture of someone who claimed to know something, so I posted it for posterity purposes on this board about conspiracies.

If we started a new thread, for the purpose of documenting for posterity, for every internet page describing a prediction related to a certifiably nutty conspiracy theory ... the JREF board would crash.

 

[abaddon]

I found a screencap of an imageboard post in which somebody makes a fairly specific prediction on June 21, 2013. He or she claims to have documents that talk about a false flag operation, planned to happen on September 06, 2013 in Saginaw, Michigan. It's supposedly to be followed by a media circus of propaganda and the eventual declaration of martial law and taking away of guns due to racial civil unrest caused by that propaganda.

http://i.imgur.com/064t3w2.jpg

Unfortunately, this is the only screencap that was posted, so it's unknown whether the original poster posted any evidence or not.

Let's just take a look-see...Martial Law (extra points for not spelling it "Marshall"), secret insider, Bohemian Grove, owl called Moloch, JFK, 911, Sandy hook, Boston Marathon, CIA, FBI, Military authorities, UAVs, "won't somebody think of the children", Obama...

Congratulations. I think you hit the crackpot.

 

[Agatha]

I don't understand this response. I didn't make any big claims. I just found a picture of someone who claimed to know something, so I posted it for posterity purposes on this board about conspiracies.

It's customary to include one's own views when dumping links here. Do you believe this person really has 'secret documents' which he was forced to stop discussing after June 21st? Do you believe the rest of the stuff he wrote? Will you be following the news from Michigan on Friday, worried that it might happen?

 

[wollclark]

Yes, and when nothing happens, you didn't even believe in it at all.

You use that smug smiley so well.

If we started a new thread, for the purpose of documenting for posterity, for every internet page describing a prediction related to a certifiably nutty conspiracy theory ... the JREF board would crash.

I find that it's rare to see one before the date has passed.

It's customary to include one's own views when dumping links here. Do you believe this person really has 'secret documents' which he was forced to stop discussing after June 21st? Do you believe the rest of the stuff he wrote?

As I've said before there's the 'what if' factor.

Will you be following the news from Michigan on Friday, worried that it might happen?

Of course, have you seen my posting history?

 

[timhau]

I find that it's rare to see one before the date has passed.

No, it's not that rare. What is exceedingly rare is to find someone owning up to a failed prediction after the date has passed.

It's much more rare than e.g. doing a 'what-if' freebie, where you can just ignore everything if nothing happens because you weren't making a prediction or committing to anything anyway, but you get a great jump on everything if something even remotely fitting the prediction actually happens.

 

[wollclark]

No, it's not that rare. What is exceedingly rare is to find someone owning up to a failed prediction after the date has passed.

It's much more rare than e.g. doing a 'what-if' freebie, where you can just ignore everything if nothing happens because you weren't making a prediction or committing to anything anyway, but you get a great jump on everything if something even remotely fitting the prediction actually happens.

I haven't seen many posts like this for a while, because I haven't been going to conspiracy websites. Despite that I always have you people still telling me stop going to conspiracy websites. I'm sorry to say that conspiracy theories aren't limited to just Infowars or Above Top Secret.

Your attempts to pretend to know what I think or what I'll do are obnoxious. I simply posted this to see what happens on Friday.

 

[Agatha]

Will you be following the news from Michigan on Friday, worried that it might happen?

Of course, have you seen my posting history?

Yes, but I had hoped that you had overcome some of your fears, perhaps helped by a realisation that every single one of these predictions that you've posted about (and every single one of the predictions you haven't posted about) simply have not happened.

Nobody can predict the future with absolute certainty, so just as I cannot say definitively it won't happen, neither can the author of that screencap say that it will. However, the likelihood is that it will not happen, based on the fact that every similar prediction in the past has been an abject failure.

Nobody can prevent you from visiting conspiracy websites, nor tell you how to think. But living in fear because of the ravings of delusional thinkers and liars on the internet cannot be a healthy or happy way to live. If visiting conspiracy sites increases your fears, it might be more sensible to avoid them, or at least to take what is posted on them with several bushels of salt.

 

[carlitos]

I haven't seen many posts like this for a while, because I haven't been going to conspiracy websites. Despite that I always have you people still telling me stop going to conspiracy websites. I'm sorry to say that conspiracy theories aren't limited to just Infowars or Above Top Secret.

Your attempts to pretend to know what I think or what I'll do are obnoxious. I simply posted this to see what happens on Friday.

You tend to post weird, conspiracy-laden theories here, then pretend to only sort of believe in them. Black helicopters at the NATO summit was the one I remember most vividly. Why not step away from this stuff and find a different hobby? This kind of thinking can't be healthy.

ETA - hadn't read Agatha's post above - sorry to pile on.

 

[Ladewig]

Fine. Let's leave aside the wisdom of and the motivations for starting this thread. Insrtead, we'll talk about how to calibrate a BS meter.

The next time you come across assertions such as the one in the OP, stop and ask yourself some questions. The first should be

(1) why is this even on the internet? If the government were an evil cabal intent on starting race wars as an excuse to remove everyone's guns, how many people would have details of the specific event that will be used as a catalyst? Details down to the level of the caliber of bullets fired and the number of people killed? Four? Five? Six? If the word leaked out in the manner that you are quoting, then the government would have to investigate only six people to find the whistle-blower - such an investigation (when one has extra-judicial access to the NSA and the FBI) is pretty simple. Furthermore, those people reached they level they have because they have proven that they can keep secrets. None of those people is going to try to spoil the plan by creating a webpage written in the style of a 13-year-old child.

(2) Does such a leak actually spoil the plan? No. It does not. They would simple cancel the Michigan plan, wait several weeks and use a different manufactured massacre to start the race war that would call for martial law.

(3) Could such a plan be implemented? Hell, no. There are between 265,000,000 and 310,000,000 firearms in the hands of civilians in the United States. Rounding up even half of those would be an impossible task. How could it be done? By U.S. soldiers? By U.N. soldiers? No. It is a ridiculously impossible task that no serious person would even consider.

(4) Are there people who post stuff like this on the internet even though it is all made up? Yes. The evidence is overwhelming. Mentally ill people; trolls; well-meaning, but dim-witted folks; trolls; people who have a personal stake in creating panic [cough]Alex Jones and others[cough]; trolls; people who have a financial stake in creating panic (e.g. seed companies, gold sellers, doomsday authors), just to name a few.

Seriously. Stop and ask yourself questions before you even consider the possibility that there is the tiniest chance that it could be true.

 

[Elizabeth I]

I live near Saginaw. You've just described the start of a typical weekend.

I lived in Midland for two months. The events described in the OP might be an improvement.

As I've said before there's the 'what if' factor.

"What if" WHAT?

Of course, have you seen my posting history?

Have you ever come back and said, "Well, that one was complete and total unfounded nonsense"? Or do you just go off and look for another weird disaster prediction?

I simply posted this to see what happens on Friday.

Do you think anything will happen on Friday different than what would have happened if you hadn't posted this?

 

[jaydeehess]

Well, one big problem for me, is the internal inconsistencies of the 'prediction'. The above mentioned shooting being described as a bombing is but one of these. This person supposedly is to pass this information down to 'authorities' but displays an inability to form grammatically correct sentences. Its almost as if this is a posting by a seventh grader.

 

[marplots]

I lived in Midland for two months. The events described in the OP might be an improvement.

Too true.
On what might be a related note, you know those huge tanks of mysterious but definitely deadly chemicals in the Dow plant? My kid is now in charge of a dozen or more of them.

I try to be nice to him.

 

[Elizabeth I]

Too true.
On what might be a related note, you know those huge tanks of mysterious but definitely deadly chemicals in the Dow plant? My kid is now in charge of a dozen or more of them.

I try to be nice to him.

Oooh, so he's responsible for those lovely sunsets over Midland?

 

[marplots]

Oooh, so he's responsible for those lovely sunsets over Midland?

Don't knock it. The Dow atmosphere keeps the snowfall down in our little chemically-enhanced town.