• Security incident: ISF was recently accessed by intruders. Please change your password, and change it anywhere else you used it. Read more

New TWA Flight 800 film coming out

Mish mash. The context was the tracks of unidentified objects caught on the radar. Those tracks were within the crash site.


The context is "vessels" in the "vicinity" of the crash. The context only shifted to radar after Irvine asked about the 30 knot track. Asked about the interview later Kallstrom said he was referring to naval vessels within his definition of vicinity: 200 miles.
 
Last edited:
You-Tube: FBI Attempts Cover Up for TWA Flight 800
No. You made the claim, you provide the evidence. And no just silly CT videos.

Chris Emery has a good grasp of this. He says 23 naval vessels participated in the exercise.
picture.php


I'm sure we all share an interest in Navy coming forth with the relief of duty information according to the great sunshine democracy we live in.
Given that a sizable percentage of people here aren't USAian, no.

Now we're up to 23 naval vessels? Wouldn't that represent a significant fraction of the Navy's assets along the US East Coast?

ETA: In 1996 the Navy had 375 total active ships. So this would mean over 5% of the Navy's worldwide fleet strength involved in this one exercise. That's some exercise.
And there's have been a huge paper trail. Which the CT'ers have singularly failed to show.

I think you're bluffing and if we did a test of a US drone missile passing through a 747 we would find PETN residue sprayed on the seats in an identical pattern with a reddish purple stain.
No you wouldn't. For the numerous reasons already given.

The official explanation is nonsense.
No, it fits the facts, far better than the nonsensical ramblings of the nutters.

The surface temperature was 71 degrees that evening off Long Island. Subtract 3 degrees for every 1000 feet of altitude and the outside temperature was right around 32 degrees when Flight 800 reached 13,000 feet with a wind chill of nearly 400mph on the fuselage. There's no way you could spark a fuel tank explosion in those conditions with the scenario the official investigation described.
Wrong.

Still waiting to hear the Long Island Coroner's exact words or read his report, and to discover the identity of this all-important submarine captain who was relieved of duty.
Don't hold your breath.

You wrote a lot but you never really answered the unidirectional ejecta plume clearly caught on radar.
Answered several times, you just don't like the facts as they invalidate your fantasy.

Government screwed-up because 3 KH-11 satellites were in position to observe the crash.
Untrue. As you'd know if you back-tracked the orbits.
Interestingly, and as further evidence that the CT peddlers are not only liars but incompetent ones at that; the US NRO only had two KH-11's in orbit in July 1996, USA-86 and USA-116. USA-33 de-orbited earlier that year and NROL-2/USA-129 wasn't launched until December.
:rolleyes:

They said all three "failed". What are the odds of all three failing at the same time? They screwed-up because they admitted elsewhere that one of the satellites captured the naval ships in the area (which means they were working).
As I've pointed out, you are either lying yourself or parroting someone else's lies without bothering to check. Either way you're talking utter crap.
It is also rather amusing how even superficial research shows your claims to be rubbish.
 
Last edited:
Do you guys have any opinions on taking glucosamine for knee pain in someone that has a lot of mileage on his legs?

I'm in construction and I walk alot (even on days off I love to hike) and have climbed more ladders than I care to say.

I started taking "Osteo-Bi-Flex" and it seems to be helping. My doctor says if it makes my junk knees feel better, it shouldn't hurt me.

Anyone else use this stuff?
 
Do you guys have any opinions on taking glucosamine for knee pain in someone that has a lot of mileage on his legs?

I'm in construction and I walk alot (even on days off I love to hike) and have climbed more ladders than I care to say.

I started taking "Osteo-Bi-Flex" and it seems to be helping. My doctor says if it makes my junk knees feel better, it shouldn't hurt me.

Anyone else use this stuff?
:confused:
 
Interestingly, and as further evidence that the CT peddlers are not only liars but incompetent ones at that;


It also speaks to the naivete of the CT's intuition of satellite orbits. The higher of the two apogees of those two satellites could only observe 6.5% of the surface of the Earth at any time. To have three satellites in random orbits covering that one area at the same time... But then they wouldn't be in random orbits; they are spaced out so they don't duplicate each others work.
 
The score card so far:

Our experts vs the CT: 143 to 0 a clear win for the experts and science

The troll vs the guys being tolled: 321 to 18 a clear win for the troll

Guys you don't see the pattern in his methodology? Really?
 
The score card so far:

Our experts vs the CT: 143 to 0 a clear win for the experts and science

The troll vs the guys being tolled: 321 to 18 a clear win for the troll

Guys you don't see the pattern in his methodology? Really?
But shredding his nonsense is fun :): a form of light mental exercise to relax after work and before bed. Like deconstructing and episode of CSI and finding all the scientific errors.
 
But shredding his nonsense is fun :): a form of light mental exercise to relax after work and before bed. Like deconstructing and episode of CSI and finding all the scientific errors.

Yes it is fun to watch, initially however this technique of trolling will lead to 250+ pages of numbing boredom.

I also want to make sure that someone new coming into the thread won't be mislead into thinking this is an actual debate.
 
Last edited:
Yes it is fun to watch, initially however this technique of trolling will lead to 250+ pages of numbing boredom.

I also want to make sure that someone new coming into the thread won't be mislead into thinking this is an actual debate.
Hmm, good point. I may create a summary table of JB's allegations and their refutations tomorrow and keep it updated.
 
It also speaks to the naivete of the CT's intuition of satellite orbits.

Oh, let's not even get started on that. The Keyhole system uses dispersed near-polar orbits, which is why so many of them have to be launched from Vandenberg AFB. (In fact, there's a Delta IV heavy test launch tomorrow.) Yeah, the notion that three of them simultaneously saw the plane crash is so very laughable. That's why I asked Jetblast to document that claim -- which of course he never did.
 
Hmm, good point. I may create a summary table of JB's allegations and their refutations tomorrow and keep it updated.

That's a good idea, since we'll probably see the same claims 'reset' ad nauseum.
 
That's a good idea, since we'll probably see the same claims 'reset' ad nauseum.
Yeah, I'll do that when I muster the time and enthusiasm. Something like the shroud of Turin list I use.

Hoo boy. When you measure temperature in mph, do you use the air speed or the land speed? It's about 80 knots outside, but it only feels like 60 in the shade.
And obviously JB is unfamiliar with the concept of frictional heating. :rolleyes:
 
Yeah, I'll do that when I muster the time and enthusiasm. Something like the shroud of Turin list I use.


And obviously JB is unfamiliar with the concept of frictional heating. :rolleyes:

Yup, it's funny how the air rushing past Concorde had such a big 'wind chill' the aircraft heated up so much it's length increased by nearly 4 inches.
 
Yup, it's funny how the air rushing past Concorde had such a big 'wind chill' the aircraft heated up so much it's length increased by nearly 4 inches.

I have two words for JB: Space Shuttle.

ETA: Though to be perfectly precise, most of that heating is compressive, not frictional. Still, it's clear that his knowledge of aerodynamics and thermodynamics is severely lacking.
 
Last edited:
Better: SR-71. Took off with a minimal load of fuel because it leaked like a sieve on the ground; seams didn't seal until it reached operational temperature. Crews heated food by holding it against the window.
 
The context is "vessels" in the "vicinity" of the crash. The context only shifted to radar after Irvine asked about the 30 knot track. Asked about the interview later Kallstrom said he was referring to naval vessels within his definition of vicinity: 200 miles.



Not true. The three tracks were nearby to the crash. He was not referring to the 30 knot track. You are not being accurate. He was referring to the tracks caught on radar near the crash scene. He specifically says they were Naval vessels.
 
It also speaks to the naivete of the CT's intuition of satellite orbits. The higher of the two apogees of those two satellites could only observe 6.5% of the surface of the Earth at any time. To have three satellites in random orbits covering that one area at the same time... But then they wouldn't be in random orbits; they are spaced out so they don't duplicate each others work.



You're not answering the point about how government could admit the satellite caught Navy vessels but "failed" to catch a missile launch with its high-tech equipment?


The structure shaking was adequately witnessed by 3 separate people. Two people is usually enough for a legal witnessing. We have 3. So we can just dismiss the noise-making by deniers and therefore reasonably conclude that a fuel explosion cannot shake structures at 10 miles distance, so therefore we have sound scientific proof of a missile explosion as witnessed by many persons inclusing the highly qualified VietNam veteran Fred Meyer.
 

ISF - Join now!

Every member here is approved by hand. No bots, no spam, just people who care about evidence and honest debate.

Membership is free!

Create your free account

Back
Top Bottom