Merged Bigfoot: The Patterson Gimlin Film - Part 4

[LTC8K6]

Hard to believe there was no profit in that fur.

 

[William Parcher]

You can never get the putrid smell out of the pelt.

 

[ChrisBFRPKY]

Bigfooters like to use analogy animals like Cross River gorillas, etc. but none really work. But they don't bring to the table all the animals which have been imagined to exist but don't. Count the hits and ignore the misses.

The fact is these rascals were only filmed recently. '09 I think. Even though they were reported by locals. That's a great example of how primates can be elusive.

 

[William Parcher]

The fact is these rascals were only filmed recently. '09 I think. Even though they were reported by locals. That's a great example of how primates can be elusive.

But a body could have been acquired if we wanted it like we want a Bigfoot, right?

Would the locals have been assured of vast riches for just one body - like it is with Bigfoot?

 

[LTC8K6]

But a body could have been acquired if we wanted it like we want a Bigfoot, right?

Would the locals have been assured of vast riches for just one body - like it is with Bigfoot?

Ha!

The "locals" never count...

What they know is not what we know...

 

[William Parcher]

But as far as elusive goes... They really aren't like Bigfoot are they? The elusiveness of a Cross River gorilla multiplied 951 times. But you can go see them in Kentucky and Minnesota.

 

[STRONG LIKE BEAR]

First, no I don't think it's fragile.

Then you are not acknowledging objective facts.

The movement in those two clear sharp frames is there. If one cannot see it, it can only be by choice.

Oh I see it all right. The problem is, that I(along with the other 99.9% of the world) realize just how limited the film is in terms of what can be definitively stated about it. You are saying the breasts move, when only TWO frames can be provided to support this. How many milliseconds is that?

Second, the P/G film site was laid out and measured. I think they have a good idea of how far away everything need be for judging size etc.

Munns does not give the numbers in his Bigfoot conference presentation, that I saw. What are they? That doesn't matter anyway, because the models breasts move differently than the movement that you and Munns perceive as genuine on Patty. Also his models are facing the camera, whereas Patty is to the side looking back at the camera. That's another part of why this issue is meaningless, because we don't get a good full view of both of them. The left breast is slightly obscured. Greg feels that it is the left breast, and only the left breast that moves.

Like kitakaze said a few posts ago.. Rorschach Patty.

Height and size would have been important for the mask potion of the presentation but that part IMO is not impressive to me. Mainly because there is no way we can make an exact measurement from the camera lens. Close, but not exact. An exact measurement would be needed to size the mask to perfect scale.

Munns "mask" presentation is almost certainly useless as well, if he is still playing his game with the literal old-timey football helmet.

 

[William Parcher]

The other cool thing about the CR gorillas is that nobody ever finds dead ones. They are like bears that way.

 

[LTC8K6]

If the locals have been seeing and hunting and eating an animal all along, how is it "undiscovered" or "unknown"?

 

[William Parcher]

The analogy gets worse and worse. Next thing to happen is Chris stops using it right away and begins to stop others from using it.

 

[River]

Hi, Ben. yes, I remember you speaking with Gimlin. I don't think that's an unfair assessment at all and it's perfectly expectable if one were to think up anything I have said about finding the suit. I essentially gave up on trying to get the suit into public view when I left North America and returned to Japan. The only access I had was never directly through the owner, but I have never claimed to be in possession of photos of the suit. If I had such images, I would have posted them for good or ill a long time ago.

I expect that unless someone continues where I left off and gets better results than I did, the suit won't be shown in public before either Patricia Patterson or Al DeAtley passes away. There is enough rumour and speculation on the subject for anyone with the time, resources and connections to try and get farther than I did.

Are you planning on doing anything with the footage you've shot so far? I remember some screen shots from an interview with Morris. I remember you spoke of interviewing Heironimus (on camera? or otherwise?) as well. Gimlin and DeAtley might be the hard ones to score an interview with.

Do you plan on following up on anything or just dropping the ball completely now? On that note! How's things going for you lately? I hope you're still making music in some form as well.

 

[The Shrike]

Why are 'footers suddenly tossing around Cross River gorillas as somehow relevant for bigfoot? One of my grad students studied them in the field. It's cool that they're the northwesternmost occurrence of gorillas, but I don't see what people think is crypto about them. My student said they found them quite easily in the forest. Like all gorillas, their main problem is that people find them easily.

 

[Skeptical Greg]

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As far as donut shapes: Like this guy? Looks round to me.

You would have done better to have used this for your example:

Really Chris, are you in such a state of denial that you can't look at these images and admit there might be a problem with Patty's anatomy ?

That is a great site where your image came from..

A lot of good information about how muscles look and work..

 

[Drewbot]

Why are 'footers suddenly tossing around Cross River gorillas as somehow relevant for bigfoot? One of my grad students studied them in the field. It's cool that they're the northwesternmost occurrence of gorillas, but I don't see what people think is crypto about them. My student said they found them quite easily in the forest. Like all gorillas, their main problem is that people find them easily.

Remember that all of the White-Hunters from the early 20th century went out and killed gorillas. It's not like Teddy Roosevelt, or Kalman Kittenbeger, or CJP Ionides, or countless others found them terribly difficult to find or to kill. One of them even commented on how easy it was to kill them, uncomfortably so. I will find which one, however, I can't remember which one from my collection of memoirs said this.

 

[LTC8K6]

You can never get the putrid smell out of the pelt.

Slather it with tomato juice?

 

[Correa Neto]

Hey, how can Munns actually know those are boobs?

Its an unknown species. Those things could as well be vocal sacs and Patty a male bigfoot. Can't say they are not, because its an unknown species!

Hey, bigfoots could be closer to howler monkeys than to orang-utangs and humans, convergent evolution is powerful. Can't say its not, because its an unknown species!

They could also be marsupials! Convergent evolution created marsupials that looked very like placentary mammals. Can't say its not, because its an unknown species!

Hey, you can't even say its not a suit, because you don't have Patty...

 

[William Parcher]

Slather it with tomato juice?

It would only work until the juice was removed. The stench is not on the hairs - the stench is the hairs. Besides that frontiersmen didn't carry tomato juice.

 

[Night Walker]

The fact is these rascals were only filmed recently. '09 I think. Even though they were reported by locals. That's a great example of how primates can be elusive.

You have missed the point:

The Cross River gorillas have been known to science since 1904 when German taxonomist Paul Matschie described skulls collected from Cameroon as representing a new species, Gorilla diehli. As Vort pointed out, a clear photo of a dead one was taken in 1906 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cross_River_gorilla). Subsequent studies reclassified them as a subspecies of Gorilla gorilla (Rothschild 1904 & 1908) and later still subsumed them within subspecies Gorilla gorilla gorilla (Coolidge 1929).

It is the location of the Cross River gorilla’s habitat – on the border of Cameroon and Nigeria – that greatly affected its study. After WW2, Cameroon sought independence from its colonisers and became wracked with civil war from 1955 to 1971. Nigeria, too, suffered from a brutal civil war from 1966 to 1970 followed by a succession of corrupt military juntas until finally regaining democracy in 1999.

In 1998 new measurements and analyses of museum specimens soon led to the realisation that the skeletons of gorillas in the Cross River region may be sufficiently distinct enough to warrant their recognition as a subspecies and, with Nigeria opening itself up, this was subsequently and recently confirmed with an estimated population of only 300 individuals.

The recent successful efforts to document and re-classify the Cross River gorillas has nothing to do with it's "elusiveness" or local knowledge trumping science but rather with the broader context - it's habitat was in remote and dangerous no-go-zone.

There is no comparison between the context of Cross River Gorillas and that of Bigfoot in contemporary USA other than a negative one...

 

[Resume]

You have missed the point:

The Cross River gorillas have been known to science since 1904 when German taxonomist Paul Matschie described skulls collected from Cameroon as representing a new species, Gorilla diehli. As Vort pointed out, a clear photo of a dead one was taken in 1906 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cross_River_gorilla). Subsequent studies reclassified them as a subspecies of Gorilla gorilla (Rothschild 1904 & 1908) and later still subsumed them within subspecies Gorilla gorilla gorilla (Coolidge 1929).

It is the location of the Cross River gorilla’s habitat – on the border of Cameroon and Nigeria – that greatly affected its study. After WW2, Cameroon sought independence from its colonisers and became wracked with civil war from 1955 to 1971. Nigeria, too, suffered from a brutal civil war from 1966 to 1970 followed by a succession of corrupt military juntas until finally regaining democracy in 1999.

In 1998 new measurements and analyses of museum specimens soon led to the realisation that the skeletons of gorillas in the Cross River region may be sufficiently distinct enough to warrant their recognition as a subspecies and, with Nigeria opening itself up, this was subsequently and recently confirmed with an estimated population of only 300 individuals.

The recent successful efforts to document and re-classify the Cross River gorillas has nothing to do with it's "elusiveness" or local knowledge trumping science but rather with the broader context - it's habitat was in remote and dangerous no-go-zone.

There is no comparison between the context of Cross River Gorillas and that of Bigfoot in contemporary USA other than a negative one...

Thanks for the cogent summary.

 

[Skeptical Greg]

Oh no !

Now we have to fall back on the great number of aircraft that have gone missing in the Pacific Northwest ..

Is that a problem in Kentucky also ?