Merged Bigfoot: The Patterson Gimlin Film - Part 4

[Drewbot]

Documentation the PGF film site.
With Bill Munns and some people I've never heard of.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MLTl4Lo6P6Y&feature=player_embedded

 

[STRONG LIKE BEAR]

Just look at that inhospitable terrain they have to navigate. It is positively insane that anyone would even think of perpetrating a hoax out there. They would need like a team of assistants and health technicians!

No way in Munns did "1 or 2 people" go all the way out there and hoax a bigfoot. End of discussion.

 

[JTF]

Fool's Gold

Munns MAY have found the site of the PGF, but that video is hardly definitive proof. To expect the terrain of this potential site to be the same after 45 years is fool's gold. The only tangible proof of insanity in this case is that there are actually people out there who believe that the PGF depicts a large primate who has somehow been able to hide its fossil record in North America from the scientific community.

Munns is a hype merchant, not a scientist. He would have better luck proving the existence of the Mothman and I would be willing to bet that if Patterson were alive today, he would have presented a grainy piece of video that would have convinced Munns of the Mothman's existence.

 

[leisureclass]

Just look at that inhospitable terrain they have to navigate. It is positively insane that anyone would even think of perpetrating a hoax out there. They would need like a team of assistants and health technicians!

No way in Munns did "1 or 2 people" go all the way out there and hoax a bigfoot. End of discussion.

I wasn't aware we could unilaterally end discussions. As for your larger point, if we accept as true Patterson and Gimlin's claims, they got there on horseback with their camera gear. If two guys and their camera gear could get there on horseback, why not three guys, their gear, and a suit?

 

[Vortigern99]

I wasn't aware we could unilaterally end discussions. As for your larger point, if we accept as true Patterson and Gimlin's claims, they got there on horseback with their camera gear. If two guys and their camera gear could get there on horseback, why not three guys, their gear, and a suit?

You may want to re-read BEAR's post with your sarcasm detector in the "ON" position.

 

[STRONG LIKE BEAR]

Apologies, I should have put something in a spoiler for those with faulty detectors

 

[leisureclass]

Whoops. The username is what did it.

 

[EHocking]

Munns MAY have found the site of the PGF, but that video is hardly definitive proof. To expect the terrain of this potential site to be the same after 45 years is fool's gold. The only tangible proof of insanity in this case is that there are actually people out there who believe that the PGF depicts a large primate who has somehow been able to hide its fossil record in North America from the scientific community.

Munns is a hype merchant, not a scientist. He would have better luck proving the existence of the Mothman and I would be willing to bet that if Patterson were alive today, he would have presented a grainy piece of video that would have convinced Munns of the Mothman's existence.

yes, his dismal failures at photogrammetry are only eclipsed by the total lack of surveying skills demonstrated in that farce of a "documentary".

3D photo my arse...

 

[jerrywayne]

I would recommend the new Loxton/Prothero book. It describes the Roe situation with a bit of new information. It IS damning.

http://doubtfulnews.com/2013/07/new-cryptozoology-book-released-its-a-whopper/

Looking forward to reading this book. Interesting new information on Roe.

The problem with the Bigfoot story from the get go is that it has been told primarily from the enthusiast's point of view, without thorough objectivity. For instance, in all those decades between the Patterson film and The Making of Bigfoot, believers ignored and suppressed the shady character of Patterson. And there was no counter-balance in all those years: skeptics never looked into the Patterson backstory due to apathy.

With that type of ground, it's no wonder the Bigfoot story grew and grew in acceptance.

 

[Gilbert Syndrome]

It's the same with almost every cryptid or ghoul, the majority of info or data is recorded by believers and/or enthusiasts.

 

[Night Walker]

It's the same with almost every cryptid or ghoul, the majority of info or data is recorded by believers and/or enthusiasts.

Then perhaps there needs to be more sceptical enthusiasts on the front line (both "in the field" and in the archives) collecting and displaying the data. Monster-hunting as a hobby is way cool...

 

[Vermonter]

Whoops. The username is what did it.

Don't feel too bad. I had to read his post a few times to get the sarcasm.

 

[STRONG LIKE BEAR]

Don't feel too bad. I had to read his post a few times to get the sarcasm.

I supposed it's highly focused sarcasm. All of those things Munns has claimed in the past, and some re-affirmed in that video. He seems to have this idea that in order to produce the PGF, they'd need to literally have a hollywood set and production team, extra mimes, a team of health technicians to monitor the situation because of the extreme conditions and terrain, and a squad of helicopter snipers to protect the crew from a real bigfoot, should it show up.

Okay, maybe he hasn't made that last claim .. yet

 

[Gilbert Syndrome]

Well, a lot of folks here have looked into said reports/data, but no'one here finds it as striking as the enthusiasts/bleevers.

 

[Gilbert Syndrome]

My point was more about how the majority of lads and ladies recording this "data" already have invested interest and belief.

 

[Gilbert Syndrome]

Also, while I agree that monsters certainly are cool, hunting them after so many repeated fails is just plain silly imo.

 

[Chris L]

Also, while I agree that monsters certainly are cool, hunting them after so many repeated fails is just plain silly imo.

Apparently pretending to hunt them can be somewhat profitable though.

 

[tsig]

Then perhaps there needs to be more sceptical enthusiasts on the front line (both "in the field" and in the archives) collecting and displaying the data. Monster-hunting as a hobby is way cool...

It's like fishing except you never have to worry about one of those scaly things getting on your hook.

 

[jerrywayne]

Then perhaps there needs to be more sceptical enthusiasts on the front line (both "in the field" and in the archives) collecting and displaying the data. Monster-hunting as a hobby is way cool...

In a perfect world, yes. In the real world, "sceptical enthusiasts" would be regarded as the next thing to a Bigfoot enthusiast, spending time on nonsense, by John Q Public. No money in it, either. And the rocks raining down on the skeptical enthusiast in the field would be tossed not by the Big Ape, but by the big ape enthusiast pissed that you are calling into question his/her cherished belief.

 

[jerrywayne]

Here's one I put together. You can click it to enlarge.

I used to think the contracting calf muscle was caused by a wader boot/pants creasing as the foot struck the ground. It was an odd feature for a bipedal primate to have, its calf muscle contracting by foot strike rather than by foot push-off. Now I'm entertaining the notion that Patterson was clever enough to employ small water bags in the calf area, making the calf contract momentarily (but at the wrong time) by gravity as the leg and foot were planted. The contraction disappears as the leg and foot push off --- and I'm not sure the water bags would flatten out, unless the long strides and accompanying leg swings mitigated the effect of gravity a bit.