Proof of Life After Death!!

[Pixel42]

Maybe some of us just don't find the spectacle of decent people being conned by scumbags particularly amusing.

 

[kmortis]

Keep it civil & on topic. The topic is not the other posters.

Replying to this modbox in thread will be off topic  Posted By: kmortis

 

[Robin1]

Pretend for a minute I'm Robin. I used to be very similar, in fact extremely like Robin. someone a few posts back asked Robin why the spirits can't or don't just communicate with us directly. This is intended to be a rational question that will make Robin think. But it won't.

If I'm Robin, I'm going to do an eye roll to that. Poor skeptics, they just don't get SO much. Should I explain? Should I talk about how lots of people can play the piano but not everyone will be a Beethoven (Sylvia likes that one)? Should I (sigh) remind everyone AGAIN that even so, they DO try to communicate with the rest of us through dreams and signs? Do I discuss the prevailing belief among the JEs and van praagbs etc that we are here to test ourselves and the spirits are limited in what they can tell us - sort of like not being able to help us cheat on a test? Maybe I'm not even sure, as Robin, whether I believe all that, but maybe it seems logical enough and now that I'm really sold on JE, I tend to.

Or do I just let the question pass.

But as I let it pass, do you see how it has not had the intended effect on me?

If you have learned to see the world as I do, whether or not you believe it, this won't happen.

Spot on - I love the eye roll part!

Thanks for trying to explain to others where I am coming from - even though you do not believe any of it. I tried to explain multiple times myself, in different ways, but many did not seem to "hear" me. I know your motives were to help the skeptics learn how to better debate a believer, but you helped me too. I appreciate it.

Also, thanks for your earlier post explaining why the spirits talk about things like my just buying a new refrigerator. If anyone else had asked me that question again (after having explained my view on it a gazillion times) I would have leapt from the kitchen window.

 

[Resume]

Spot on - I love the eye roll part!

Thanks for trying to explain to others where I am coming from - even though you do not believe any of it. I tried to explain multiple times myself, in different ways, but many did not seem to "hear" me. I know your motives were to help the skeptics learn how to better debate a believer, but you helped me too. I appreciate it.

We hear you just fine. The problem is your "explanations" read like rationalizations, apologetics, **** people make up when logic fails. You can't see this because you are in emotional thrall with the idea of spirits. The fact that not a single person corresponding (including former believers) with you is swayed by your explanations should give you some sort of pause. I wouldn't even care if it wasn't for the bile these self-proclaimed mediums spew in exchange for cash.

JE can't communicate with the dead. No one can.

 

[Robin1]

We hear you just fine. The problem is your "explanations" read like rationalizations, apologetics, **** people make up when logic fails. You can't see this because you are in emotional thrall with the idea of spirits. The fact that not a single person corresponding (including former believers) with you is swayed by your explanations should give you some sort of pause. I wouldn't even care if it wasn't for the bile these self-proclaimed mediums spew in exchange for cash.

JE can't communicate with the dead. No one can.

I'm talking about people who repeatedly ask the same questions over and over and over...

I answered those questions...thus my familiar refrain "READ THE THREAD."

If you don't like my answer...fine.

If you don't agree with my answer...fine.

But, for the love of God...or Randi...Please STOP asking questions that have already been answered. It really clutters up the thread, makes it less readable, is just plain annoying, blah, blah, blah...


As for JE not being able to communicate with the dead - my Dad must have missed the memo.

 

[Robin1]

We hear you just fine. The problem is your "explanations" read like rationalizations, apologetics, **** people make up when logic fails. You can't see this because you are in emotional thrall with the idea of spirits. The fact that not a single person corresponding (including former believers) with you is swayed by your explanations should give you some sort of pause. I wouldn't even care if it wasn't for the bile these self-proclaimed mediums spew in exchange for cash.

JE can't communicate with the dead. No one can.

Care to make a wager, Resume?

As far as not a single person being swayed by me...

Since I believe there are some reading this thread who are too afraid of the wrath of the skeptics to ever admit they might (even a teeny tiny bit) believe, how's about we do a little experiment. If anybody out there MAY believe send me a PM - I'll keep the names private and tally the sure to be thousands of PM's I get. I promise to tell the truth about the results.

If I get more than 5 - I win.

If I get less than 5 - you win.

If I get 0 - you win...big!

Whaddya say?

 

[carlitos]

The lurkers agree with me? Really?

 

[jsfisher]

The lurkers agree with me? Really?

As this thread bears testament, she's still having trouble with that whole evidence thing.

 

[jsfisher]

As far as not a single person being swayed by me...

Your powers of sway would benefit from actual evidence. Where's that proof you promised?

 

[Resume]

Care to make a wager, Resume?

As far as not a single person being swayed by me...

Since I believe there are some reading this thread who are too afraid of the wrath of the skeptics to ever admit they might (even a teeny tiny bit) believe, how's about we do a little experiment. If anybody out there MAY believe send me a PM - I'll keep the names private and tally the sure to be thousands of PM's I get. I promise to tell the truth about the results.

If I get more than 5 - I win.

If I get less than 5 - you win.

If I get 0 - you win...big!

Whaddya say?

The only way you actually win is by providing proof for an afterlife. I am pointing out that the "explanations" you've provided so far are unconvincing at best.

I'll wager an 800 calorie pina colada I'll turn purple waiting for that proof.

 

[desertgal]

Care to make a wager, Resume?

As far as not a single person being swayed by me...

Since I believe there are some reading this thread who are too afraid of the wrath of the skeptics to ever admit they might (even a teeny tiny bit) believe, how's about we do a little experiment. If anybody out there MAY believe send me a PM - I'll keep the names private and tally the sure to be thousands of PM's I get. I promise to tell the truth about the results.

If I get more than 5 - I win.

If I get less than 5 - you win.

If I get 0 - you win...big!

Whaddya say?

Win...what? For the skeptics, how would a "win" either way serve as evidence of life aftet death? With all due respect, and I'm being civil here, what is your point?

Nonsense - neither the subject matter or my multiple flounces excuse such uncivil, repeated behavior.

Yes, and you've given as good as you've gotten, so how about calling it square and moving on?

But back on topic - yes, you do have to wait to see The View.

Why?

How about our members who live outside the USA and don't receive The View? Or where you going to write it down in a note for them and pass it to Darat after gym class?

Playing mystery is really childish, Robin. No offense.

 

[Elizabeth I]

I think the subject matter has much to do with the heated rhetoric. Plus, and no offense, but multiple flounces don't help.

All this is getting way off topic however. What is there to discuss that is on-topic or must I wait and watch (gag) The View?

Hey, maybe this episode won't run until Jenny McCarthy is on and you can see her too!

 

[GregInAustin]

I think a "win" here would be "proof of the afterlife." I am open to evidence, but I have not been swayed by Robin or anyone else that the afterlife actually exists.

Robin, please don't take this personal, because I'm not attacking you personally. But by your own admission (and that of your brother) John Edward invited people he already knew many things about to be in the audience on the View. To the uninformed viewer, anything he says to anyone may seem miraculous. But to me, knowing that he hot read any or all of them and then pretended to gain information from the dead is blatantly dishonest.

Since (again, by your own admission) no other psychic can match JE's abilities, there is no way to independently test JE's claims, therefore there is no independent evidence that what he says (regarding communicating with the dead) is actually true.

Let me know if you're interested in hearing what I think testable evidence would be and how we would get it.

8)

 

[deaman]

Whenever I want hard hitting, no nonsense, proof and evidence of life after death (perhaps one of the most important discoveries of all time), I always turn right to The View.

Doesn't everybody?

 

[desertgal]

Whenever I want hard hitting, no nonsense, proof and evidence of life after death (perhaps one of the most important discoveries of all time), I always turn right to The View.

Doesn't everybody?

Or Gunsmoke. I mean, they ran that show for twenty years. Isn't that a form of life after death?

 

[John Jones]

Or Gunsmoke. I mean, they ran that show for twenty years. Isn't that a form of life after death?

Law and Order too, for that matter.

There are plenty of witnesses that can testify that Jerry Orbach died, but here he is on one TV channel or another 24 hours a day.

 

[Apology]

Law and Order too, for that matter.

There are plenty of witnesses that can testify that Jerry Orbach died, but here he is on one TV channel or another 24 hours a day.

Now if Jerry Orbach sent me a message from beyond the grave about my refrigerator, that would make me sit up and take notice. He seems like the kind of guy who'd treat me to a free pina colada as well.

 

[kerikiwi]

Since I believe there are some reading this thread who are too afraid of the wrath of the skeptics to ever admit they might

On what do you base this belief?

 

[torifrog]

Care to make a wager, Resume?

As far as not a single person being swayed by me...

Since I believe there are some reading this thread who are too afraid of the wrath of the skeptics to ever admit they might (even a teeny tiny bit) believe, how's about we do a little experiment. If anybody out there MAY believe send me a PM - I'll keep the names private and tally the sure to be thousands of PM's I get. I promise to tell the truth about the results.

If I get more than 5 - I win.

If I get less than 5 - you win.

If I get 0 - you win...big!

Whaddya say?

Time frame?

(sad my previous post was completely ignored)

 

[Robin1]

Yeah, I know... she's suspended. So what? This thread has survived for weeks without her in the past when she took extended sabbaticals. And the thread isn't about Robin, as much as she'd like to have it so. It's about John Edward and fraudulent psychics of all stripes.

So, for lurkers' consideration and for Robin1 to reply to later if she wishes, I offer the following.

1. Robin1, "uuu" is not how you spell "Eew!"
2. I'm not buying the former coworker story. I call b.s. Why have you not remembered to pass on this anecdote prior to now? You put all faith in anecdotal evidence, which we're evidently supposed to clutch to our breasts and believe with all our hearts, but this "reading" with a bunch of clear winners (for people who believe anecdotes on the internet with no supporting evidence) you just sort of forgot about? I don't think so.

Torifrog, here we have Foolmewunz admitting John Edward's reading has "a bunch of clear winners for people who believe anecdotes..."
So, he admits he knows my story is a good one and some who are inclined to believe this stuff may believe it.

He then specifically addresses the lurkers (just in case there is anyone out there being swayed by me and my stories - Heaven forbid!) and proclaims he doesn't believe the story - I MUST be lying (implied but he later on admitted that was indeed what he meant).

And so, torifrog, instead of asking me why Foolmewunz is so worried someone out there might believe (to the point of actually accusing me of LYING), you really should be asking him.