How many times must we have this discussion. A street address is not useful without a street name.
I guess it will keep coming up until you figure it out. Someone just posted a sample dialog of providing directions without knowing the name of the street. The dispatcher on the other end of the line is pretty sharp. He figured out the correct address of the clubhouse even though George flubbed it.
YET AGAIN:
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Singleton: Then does, do you say he ran?
Zimmerman: Yes.
Singleton: Then you get out of your car and run after him.
Zimmerman: I didn’t run after him, no.
I walked to find the street name, or a street sign. And he had already run, cut out between the houses. So I knew that, if I walked straight through that little sidewalk, I knew that that was my street that I lived on.
Now, didn't you just post that George was not looking for a street sign or was that someone else? I accepted that George was walking to find a street sign. And, it doesn't take a lot of brains to know that the street signs are at the intersections of the streets. In my narative I posited that George did walk to find the street sign. I presumed that once George reached RVC and saw that The suspect was not in sight ("he ran"), George would slow down and leisurely walk the rest of the way. If he moved much faster that about 1.5 m/s he would have reached the sign before he hung up with the dispatcher. But Rachel said the old man's voice was out of breath. Maybe that's just the way George sounded.
I don't see how your simply claiming "he had sufficient time" demonstrates it was bogus.
Did he immediately walk over there ?
How fast did he walk ?
Did he stop while he was walking ?
If you would just read my narative where I provided the numbers I won't have to repeat myself.
Should I likewise assert that JRs claim that TM was walking back from 7/11 is demonstrably bogus, he had more than sufficient time to make it home form 7/11, yet never did ?
You could. Trayvon was walking through a death trap set by George and never made it home.
So now the wind somehow lets you know where GZ is ?
Yes. And I explained how.
Your assumptions are just that, assumptions. And not very good ones.
Your opinion only.
If GZ was able to see, where was TM when GZ was initially walking down toward and past the TEE ?
If you go back to the earlier installment of my narrative, I have Trayvon begin his run from the mailboxes when George must loose sight of him to pull out of the clubhouse parking lot and pull around the bushes on the corner. Other narratives have George creeping along behind Trayvon in his truck until Trayvon takes off running. I choose the less creepy behavior for George but you are free to challenge that.
Trayvon has a head start and would be around the corner and out of sight before George gets his truck parked. If Trayvon knew George was going to get out of his truck and follow, he would almost have enough time to get home before George turned the corner at the tee. But Trayvon doesn't know what George is going to do. George could have stayed in his truck and driven to the south end of the path and cut him off before he gets home. Then Trayvon would be unable to run while the creepy George would be starting the chase fresh. The best decision would be to find a location to hide with multiple exits. One of the paths between the houses with bushes for cover would be suitable.
How is it GZ walked by without seeing him ?
T'was a dark and stormy night...
Is it not an established fact that George did not see Trayvon when he crossed the cut-through to RVC?. If you dispute that, you should take it up with George.
Your assumption is just that, an assumption. And not even based on the actual dialogue RJ relayed:
BDLR: OK..um…and then what happened?
Dee Dee: And then he told me like the guy was getting close..like..and he told me the guy was
getting real close to him. The next I hear, “What are you following me for?
How many times are you going to play the selective quoting game?
Her credibility is completely suspect. Her statements are just as self-serving as GZ.
She and the Martin family have nothing to gain, nothing left to loose. Unlike George who was fighting for his freedom and a several hundred thousand dollar bonus if he were to be successful in a SYG immunity hearing. You don't accept her statement only because you don't want to accept her statement. I don't even need her statement because it was George himself that said he was walking to find a street sign.
So, in your mind, GZ, criminal mastermind, planted his small key and flashlight back at the TEE after he shot TM, so he could then lie about where the fight happened.
Not far up thread I wrote why George would have dropped his keys after the shooting. You should read what I said instead of making things up. There may have even been a witness but I need to research that further.
And all the witnesses who say the altercation started at the Tee, they are lying or mistaken ?
Could be. Only one witness actually saw them running one after the other but towards the tee.
In your mind the fact that you had to change the dialogue to fit your version of events makes no difference ?
You're the one that is saying the dialog is unreliable. I didn't transcribe this tape myself and I haven't seen the official transcript if even one exists. I did suggest early on that we should be building a common wiki with the known facts so we would at least be debating from a common basis. That at least is what I believe skeptics would do instead of playing gotcha games arguing over trivia. What I probably need to do is find a site where skeptics hang out and debate issues.
Tracy Martin said it wasn't his son crying for help, then lied about it. Javharis Fulton said he didn't know who it was. John good said he thought it was GZ yelling.
That sounds like an important interview. Do you happen to know where I can find a recording of it?
Awfully lucky for GZ that no one else really seemed to think it was TM yelling.
And if you listen to the witness statements, they almost universally say they presumed that it was the person on the bottom that was screaming for help. No one was actually in a position to say for sure. (except for George and Trayvon)
And good thing TM didn't actually turn around and say anything to John Good like "he attacked me" or anything, so that didn't blow GZ secret plan.
Is that something you typically do in a fight, take your eye off your opponent? An adult came out and stopped the fight. Under playground rules you stop fighting and get up. There will be time to present your case later.
