Operation Pointless

[William Parcher]

If these researchers are armed as claimed (who really knows?) that suit better have a Kevlar lining.

^^ Yeah, and the researchers better have a good lawyer or a good shovel.

Their hoax is even working on you guys. The whole gun idea has forced your thinking down a path that they want you to go.

It can't be a hoax because the hoaxer would be shot dead.

 

[Drewbot]

Patterson and Gimlin did the same thing.

Wasn't it hunting season?
Yep, everything with fur is in danger.
So you see we wouldn't have hoaxed this, it was too dangerous.

 

[dmaker]

Their hoax is even working on you guys. The whole gun idea has forced your thinking down a path that they want you to go.

It can't be a hoax because the hoaxer would be shot dead.

Good point.

 

[Resume]

Their hoax is even working on you guys. The whole gun idea has forced your thinking down a path that they want you to go.

It can't be a hoax because the hoaxer would be shot dead.

No, I think the whole fandango is bull ****.

Operation Blatant ************ might work too.

 

[OntarioSquatch]

When Brian Brown describes Area-X and his experiences there, he sometimes describes things that don't match the NAWAC's agenda if they were making all of this up. In one of his recent posts in response to a question by Drew on the BFF about how far Area-X is from the nearest public trail, he estimates that Area-X is located less than 10 miles from the nearest trail, but goes on about how one mile of Ouachita jungle is worth five miles of PNW forest. Based on my experience, a hoaxer wouldn't do this. They would blatantly state that it's many miles away. He's done the same thing on several other occasions when talking about other things as well. This leads me to believe that he's describing real experiences.

 

[Resume]

When Brian Brown describes Area-X and his experiences there, he sometimes describes things that don't match the NAWAC's agenda if they were making all of this up. In one of his recent posts in response to a question by Drew on the BFF about how far Area-X is from the nearest public trail, he estimates that Area-X is located less than 10 miles from the nearest trail, but goes on about how one mile of Ouachita jungle is worth five miles of PNW forest. Based on my experience, a hoaxer wouldn't do this. They would blatantly state that it's many miles away. He's done the same thing on several other occasions when talking about other things as well. This leads me to believe that he's describing real experiences.

????

He can say anything he bloody well likes. He's describing a pretend scenario about a pretend research area wherein resides a pretend animal. Jesus.

 

[OntarioSquatch]

^Exactly, but he doesn't.

 

[William Parcher]

Don't think of Brown as the hoaxer. Instead think of a professional silver-tongue who enables and promotes the hoax. A cog in the machine but not the machine itself.

 

[Resume]

^Exactly, but he doesn't.

Sure he does. I'll bet you even buy the hickory nut story.

For crissakes, you buy that he's got bigfoot in his sights.

ETA: But don't fool too bad as nearly all your BFF buds are buying into the hickory nut story. Or at least claiming to.

 

[Resume]

Don't think of Brown as the hoaxer. Instead think of a professional silver-tongue who enables and promotes the hoax. A cog in the machine but not the machine itself.

He's a marketer. One of a long line. Just like TV preachers, only not quite as successful.

 

[Hellbound]

When Brian Brown describes Area-X and his experiences there, he sometimes describes things that don't match the NAWAC's agenda if they were making all of this up. In one of his recent posts in response to a question by Drew on the BFF about how far Area-X is from the nearest public trail, he estimates that Area-X is located less than 10 miles from the nearest trail, but goes on about how one mile of Ouachita jungle is worth five miles of PNW forest. Based on my experience, a hoaxer wouldn't do this. They would blatantly state that it's many miles away. He's done the same thing on several other occasions when talking about other things as well. This leads me to believe that he's describing real experiences.

I think you're showing a distinct excluded middle fallacy here.

To me, it says that he might have a real location in mind, and at some point plans to make it available for some sort of compensation: whether that's more bigfoot tours, or something else I don't know. There's also the fact that not many places anywhere in the U.S. are an extreme distance from a trail of some sort; assuming he has no specific location in mind the "10 miles" claim gives him a lot more locations to choose from if he ever has to name a spot. Basically, any undeveloped, trailless area more than 20 miles across is now a candidate for "Area-X". A lot more of those than there are undeveloped areas that are (for example) 100 miles across.

ETA: Just to make it clear, I'm going by comments in this thread. There may be some other particulars of this "Area-X" that change the parameters above. In any case, I don't think the claim of "10 miles from a trail" has any bearing on the truth of falsity of any of the claims.

 

[William Parcher]

Based on my experience, a hoaxer wouldn't do this. They would blatantly state that it's many miles away. He's done the same thing on several other occasions when talking about other things as well. This leads me to believe that he's describing real experiences.

Telling lies about distances is the hallmark of a hoaxer? You mean like Patterson telling the world that he and Gimlin tracked Patty for 3.5 miles after filming her? Gimlin says it isn't true but he can't bring himself to actually say that Roger told lies.

So Roger was a liar and blatant about it. But you still think the PGF is real.

 

[tsig]

Well, forgive me for doubting the fine folks at NAWAC:
http://thebigfootshow.com/2013/06/25/aw-nuts/

Lame excuse for lack of evidence:

Area X is supposed to be remote enough that in order to maintain multiple devices such as FLIRs and drones or pretty much most other high tech equipment it would take more batteries than would be reasonable to have in supply.

For want of a battery, bigfoot was lost.

 

[The Shrike]

. . . he estimates that Area-X is located less than 10 miles from the nearest trail, but goes on about how one mile of Ouachita jungle is worth five miles of PNW forest.

Do you mean that he's claimed that no part of Area X is closer than 10 miles to a trail? If it's "less than 10 miles" then it could also be less than 1 mile, or indeed, on a trail.

I thought AlaskaBushPilot had pretty well narrowed down the location. Is that not the case? The site is claimed to be a private inholding embedded within the Ouachita National Forest (on the Oklahoma side), right? If that's the claim, then somebody please show me where one can be 10 miles away from the nearest trail in the Oklahoma Ouachitas. I'll bet you a double-stuff Oreo that there is no such place meeting those criteria.

 

[Resume]

Do you mean that he's claimed that no part of Area X is closer than 10 miles to a trail? If it's "less than 10 miles" then it could also be less than 1 mile, or indeed, on a trail.

I thought AlaskaBushPilot had pretty well narrowed down the location. Is that not the case? The site is claimed to be a private inholding embedded within the Ouachita National Forest (on the Oklahoma side), right? If that's the claim, then somebody please show me where one can be 10 miles away from the nearest trail in the Oklahoma Ouachitas. I'll bet you a double-stuff Oreo that there is no such place meeting those criteria.

Does anyone recall the acreage for the holding?

 

[jerrywayne]

Here is video posted on youtube by a Bigfoot fan of a Oklahoma news spot promoting the Honobia Bigfoot festival. They interview Charles Branson mid-way. He is the retired forest ranger who owns some of the Area X property and was instrumental in drawing the attention of field researchers.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gB_ObL8kS6c

 

[jerrywayne]

Here is a NAWAC report about how it all got started in what would later be referred to as Area X.

http://woodape.org/reports/report/detail/457

You will see this sort of thing occur in Bigfootland. Someone directs believing field researchers to an area of activity, and right there along the way just off the road are tracks.

Check the map out. That should be around Area X.

 

[tsig]

Here is a NAWAC report about how it all got started in what would later be referred to as Area X.

http://woodape.org/reports/report/detail/457

You will see this sort of thing occur in Bigfootland. Someone directs believing field researchers to an area of activity, and right there along the way just off the road are tracks.

Check the map out. That should be around Area X.

From the link:



We took pictures, but I was later informed "none of the pictures turned out."

Darn the bad luck.

 

[captain koolaid]

When Brian Brown describes Area-X and his experiences there, he sometimes describes things that don't match the NAWAC's agenda if they were making all of this up. In one of his recent posts in response to a question by Drew on the BFF about how far Area-X is from the nearest public trail, he estimates that Area-X is located less than 10 miles from the nearest trail, but goes on about how one mile of Ouachita jungle is worth five miles of PNW forest. Based on my experience, a hoaxer wouldn't do this. They would blatantly state that it's many miles away. He's done the same thing on several other occasions when talking about other things as well. This leads me to believe that he's describing real experiences.

Forget the location and whatnot for a minute. Where are the dead wood apes? These guys have the tools. They have the targets. Why isn't a wood ape getting colder by the minute? Are you seriously considering that these guys are such hopeless shots, that they can't drop a single wood ape? Or, is it that these wood apes are super ninja-ery and hip to the perils of the thunderstick? If they are, why the hell do the ninja apes keep going back?

 

[OntarioSquatch]

I don't know, but the NAWAC isn't exactly the special forces team that Brian Brown makes it out to be. They seem more like a group of friends out camping and just having a good time. If the creature in question has avoided every hunter throughout history, then I wouldn't expect it to be too different for a group such as the NAWAC, even if they found a real hotspot. I guess what I'm saying is, if the monkey is real, then the NAWAC's difficultly in gathering a type specimen is sort of understandable on some level.