How can Sweden fairly prosecute Assange when they don't prosecute GW Bush?

[The Don]

So far nothing about Assange?
I thought he was surrounded by policemen in the Embassy of Ecuador in London..

Correct, the police are there to arrest him if he attempts to leave. Julian Assange was released on bail. Because he failed to appear before the court and because he has shown himself to be a flight risk, officers have had to be posted.

The people I feel sorry for are the high profile supporters who put up sureties and who he (Assange) has left tens of thousands of pounds out of pocket.


Edited to add...

I just wanted to make very clear that the police in London are there in connection with Julian Assange failing to comply with his bail conditions, bail conditions relating to his extradition from the UK to Sweden under the terms of an EAW relating to the charges brought against him for sexual assault. There is no evidence whatsoever to support the notion that the US will seek his extradition from Sweden or even if they did that the request would be granted.

 

[Watanabe]

This case is not linked to big leaks, it's linked to alleged sexual assault.

Evidence?

That said, if we assume that this relates to big leaks then no, we have no direct historical evidence that the Swedish Justice System is independent of political influence with respect to cases relating to big leaks because this is the first such case. But we do know that in all other cases they have been independent and you have presented no evidence to show that this case is any different.

All other cases is irrelevant

 

[Watanabe]

There is no evidence whatsoever to support the notion that the US will seek his extradition from Sweden or even if they did that the request would be granted.

There is no evidence whatsoever to support the notion that the US will not seek his extradition from Sweden and that the request would not be granted

 

[The Don]

Evidence?

http://www.aklagare.se/In-English/Media/The-Assange-Matter/The-Assange-Matter/

All other cases is irrelevant

What the other cases do is to demonstrate a pattern of behaviour. The Swedish Judicial System has shown itself to be independent in all other cases. You acknowledge that you have no evidence of the Swedish Justice System behaving in anything other than an independent way in this case.

 

[Watanabe]

http://www.aklagare.se/In-English/Media/The-Assange-Matter/The-Assange-Matter/

Here is the proof that North Korea is a democracy: www.korea-dpr.com

What the other cases do is to demonstrate a pattern of behaviour. The Swedish Judicial System has shown itself to be independent in all other cases. You acknowledge that you have no evidence of the Swedish Justice System behaving in anything other than an independent way in this case.

Irrelevant as other cases were not dealing with one of the biggest leaks in history

 

[Here_to_learn]

Do you have evidence that ALL the private information of ALL the people involved in the judiciary are accessable by the public in Sweden?
If not, your point is null.

I did not say it is not possible to have a proof that there is the difference, you can have the proof, is you have access to all the private information of all the people ..

Nope, you are still missing the point.

There are two possible scenarios:

1. There have been political pressure has influenced this case.
2. There has not been any political pressure has influenced this case.

With scenario two, the case should follow the law, and we can track that since a lot of the police investigation reports, as well as all court documents are available on the net, and we can compare that to what the relevant laws say should happen

Now, with scenario 1, at least one of the things that are in those reports should be different from what the law says, otherwise the political pressure has not had any effect.

So I do not need to read the email (or listen to the phone conversation, or sit in on the meeting, or however that pressure has been applied in your theory) to see the result of political meddling - I can see the results.

In the thread about the actual allegations this has been discussed over and over again. If you had any evidence about wrongdoings, you could have showed them.

But, again you fail in showing that there is anything factual behind your posts.

 

[Watanabe]

Now, with scenario 1, at least one of the things that are in those reports should be different from what the law says, otherwise the political pressure has not had any effect.

False.
Political pressure may havve been there even if the law formally followed

 

[The Don]

There is no evidence whatsoever to support the notion that the US will not seek his extradition from Sweden and that the request would not be granted

Yes there is evidence, whether you consider it conclusive evidence is a different matter. The evidence is the complete absence of any extradition requests from the US relating to Julian Assange.

 

[Watanabe]

Yes there is evidence, whether you consider it conclusive evidence is a different matter. The evidence is the complete absence of any extradition requests from the US relating to Julian Assange.

OK, there is no conclusive evidence, then

 

[The Don]

Here is the proof that North Korea is a democracy: www.korea-dpr.com

Quite different. All the information you require to determine that it's a sexual assault case can be accessed from the link I provided

Irrelevant as other cases were not dealing with one of the biggest leaks in history

....this case isn't either, it's dealing with two cases of alleged sexual assault.

 

[The Don]

OK, there is no conclusive evidence, then

At least I provide evidence. I'm at a loss to understand what would constitute conclusive evidence that something isn't going to happen in the future.

On the other hand all you have to do is to provide some evidence that the prosecution of Julian Assange is politically motivated and that the Swedish Justice System isn't behaving in an independent way.

 

[The Don]

False.
Political pressure may havve been there even if the law formally followed

You do realise how this sounds, you imply that the US has brought political pressure to bear to cause the Swedish Justice System to behave in exactly the same way as it would have done without them having applied the pressure.

Allow me to sell you some Apatosaurus repellent.

 

[Watanabe]

Quite different. All the information you require to determine that it's a sexual assault case can be accessed from the link I provided

All the information about North Korea being a democracy can be accessed from the link I provided. Please do not believe CT that say otherwise, thanks.

....this case isn't either, it's dealing with two cases of alleged sexual assault.

Evidence that they are not dealing with Assange becaus of the leaks?

 

[Watanabe]

You do realise how this sounds, you imply that the US has brought political pressure to bear to cause the Swedish Justice System to behave in exactly the same way as it would have done without them having applied the pressure.

Allow me to sell you some Apatosaurus repellent.

In case of no political pressure then no prosecution, probably

 

[The Don]

Evidence that they are not dealing with Assange becaus of the leaks?

The fact that the case has progressed exactly as it should for a sexual assault case.

 

[The Don]

In case of no political pressure then no prosecution, probably

How do you get that ?

Where is your evidence that the Swedish Justice System routinely fails to prosecute cases of alleged serious sexual assault ?

Where is your evidence that the Swedish Justice System has behaved in a way contrary to standard practice ?

 

[Watanabe]

The fact that the case has progressed exactly as it should for a sexual assault case.

Assange said he is innocent, exactly like an innocent person would say

 

[Mojo]

No
I have claimed that there is the legitimate suspect that it is politically motivated and I have provided evidence (i.e. he Swedish Government did not do much agaisnt Bush)

That isn't evidence that the Assange case is politically motivated.

 

[Watanabe]

How do you get that ?

Where is your evidence that the Swedish Justice System routinely fails to prosecute cases of alleged serious sexual assault ?

Where is your evidence that the Swedish Justice System has behaved in a way contrary to standard practice ?

There would be no prosecution as there would be no claim that Assange is guilty and then there would be no case for Assange

 

[Mojo]

Assange said he is innocent, exactly like an innocent person would say

That approach should streamline the criminal justice system.