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flaccon said:
I don't like to call it a frequency, I call it entanglement, but I refer to it as a frequency because posters mention frequency. I understand the word frequent.
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What you call "entanglement" is noise. Without going into the technical hows and whys, in sound terms if you think of the word "frequency" as being the same as "pitch", then you won't go far wrong.
 
wardenclyffe said:
It is possible that the highlighted portion is correct, but it need not logically be so. There might be a spirit world or supernatural phenomenon.

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Ward
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You could say that for the sake of argument, but since flaccon is not the first person to think "the spirit world" is desperately trying to communicate, and yet no properly conducted research has ever found any trace of them, the mooted existence of spirits is in the same position as homeopathy and acupuncture: no evidence for existence (or efficacy) despite huge numbers of trials over a long time, and special pleading on the part of believers. Clinging to the vanishingly small (or perhaps just irrelevant to this place and time in the universe, if you must) "possibility" that they exist is a hindrance to achieving a set of mind that will accept the results of all these efforts to find the truth of her situation.
 
flaccon said:
I am not sure how it is clearly false. Are wires not considered hardware?
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Yes they are but if the spirits were coming through your fingers into the wires then they would be able to come through on the silent recordings as well. As they can not it must mean they are in the actual recording or manipulating the software.

I suspect you are jiggling the speaker wires (spirits coming through your fingers) which is causing the playback of distorted artifact compression to be further distorted. As there is "nothing" coming through on the silent recordings you hear nothing when you mess with the wires.

At this point the spirits are choosing the most asinine method of communication I can possibly think of.

flaccon said:
If I purchase a new system, the recordings will be silent. I can save these silent recordings and wait until the spirits are through to the new system, and fill up the silence.
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What does that mean? Are they in your fingers or in your computer? Could you write out, step by step, your process? Include everything you are doing. Also include how you think the spirits are doing this. Do they work through you or on you? Do they add the voices on their own or through you?

Please note that your claims of past haunting mean nothing in regards to this specific claim. One is not evidence of the other and they have nothing in common.
 
Hi Flaccon, it’s me again.

For your own sanity and peace of mind, you must understand this ordeal is the result of your imaginative interpretation of sounds of an unknown origin to you. I recommend reading asydhouse’s posts again slowly and trying to really understand what he is saying and why.

But if you are going to dismiss all rational explanations and continue to “listen to the spirits”, don’t buy new equipment. I have great news for you and your budget. There is no need for the latest Mac with the best software. You don’t need better equipment. That’s the very last thing you need.

You need the oldest, worst quality recording rig you can possibly find.
Open wires are best.
Stay away from shielded cables and noise reduction software.
Run a blender nearby, maybe a microwave oven.

Then you can hear anything you want to your heart’s content.

No one else will hear what you hear, but you’ll have an easier time with your hobby.
 
flaccon said:
I would say my family members are important to identify two of the voices. GP and the Rev'd, they were equally as important. Close friends also. Too many cert witnesses to go for the frog scenario option.
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I would strongly suspect that your confidence in your witnesses is much greater than their confidence in you.

Why not invite them to join us in the forum? It will cost them nothing and their full throated support of you and their confirmation that they are hearing the same things the same way you are would be helpful to both sides here.

I predict (and I ain't psychic) that they will be just as reluctant as the spirits.

If they do come here to lend support, I can pretty much promise that the "nice" people here will do their best to protect them from the "mean" people here.

Ward
 
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flaccon said:
I would say my family members are important to identify two of the voices. GP and the Rev'd, they were equally as important. Close friends also. Too many cert witnesses to go for the frog scenario option.
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Not too many 'cert witnesses' at all. You were persuasive enough to convince some of them, others probably just felt they didn't want to contradict you or they went along to humour you. Frog scenario has not gone away.

Pareidolia remains the mundane explanation for all of these experiences unless and until you can demonstrate a spirit message telling somebody something they did not yet know and could not practically have guessed.
 
flaccon said:
I did that last night, out of respect to the board. I don't need to advertise for business. That wasn't the point. I made it clear I was not out to profit, I'm not allowed to profit anything. I may even take out the story and be more private with it. I know how it looks, and I know how stupid it all sounds, but certain past events are well documented.
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I'd just like to say a sincere thank you for taking down your "demonstration" page which contained all the claims that we've shown to be not as certain as your website made them out to be.

It is only a small step but it's a step in the right direction. Well done. :)
 
I am sitting at my computer reading this thread, and scrolling. As I scroll my cheap speaker makes a chirping sound. Muted the sound. Still there. Disconnected the USB power supply. Gone. My USB mouse obvious generates noise onto the 5 volt supply. Don't hear anything other than noise.

Oh, the birds outside are saying something. One is saying his name with a stutter "deed-deed-deed-deed-er-ick" known as the The Diederik Cuckoo. When learning bird calls here in the bush they teach English phrases for the calls, and once learned they are hard to hear anything else.

I am not making fun of any-one - just making a comment for interest sake.
 
PartSkeptic said:
I am sitting at my computer reading this thread, and scrolling. As I scroll my cheap speaker makes a chirping sound. Muted the sound. Still there. Disconnected the USB power supply. Gone. My USB mouse obvious generates noise onto the 5 volt supply. Don't hear anything other than noise.

Oh, the birds outside are saying something. One is saying his name with a stutter "deed-deed-deed-deed-er-ick" known as the The Diederik Cuckoo. When learning bird calls here in the bush they teach English phrases for the calls, and once learned they are hard to hear anything else.

I am not making fun of any-one - just making a comment for interest sake.
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Intersting side note. Someone pointed out the bob white. We have a "cheeseburger bird" here that appears to say just that.
 
Jack by the hedge said:
The recorder has an automatic gain control on its input to adjust its sensitivity somewhat, based on how loud or quiet the source material is. If you record in near silence, the input gain rises to its maximum. Any creak which is loud enough will make the system react by ducking the gain down a bit, making the background noise seem to diminish. After a moment of silence, the gain will creep back up again. The pre-recorded creaks you are comparing it to will have been similar but less powerful sounds which did not trigger the AGC to turn itself down.
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I agree and think this is why the noise is not a constant hiss or crackle. Nicely spotted.
 
PartSkeptic said:
I am sitting at my computer reading this thread, and scrolling. As I scroll my cheap speaker makes a chirping sound. Muted the sound. Still there. Disconnected the USB power supply. Gone. My USB mouse obvious generates noise onto the 5 volt supply. Don't hear anything other than noise.

Oh, the birds outside are saying something. One is saying his name with a stutter "deed-deed-deed-deed-er-ick" known as the The Diederik Cuckoo. When learning bird calls here in the bush they teach English phrases for the calls, and once learned they are hard to hear anything else.
I am not making fun of any-one - just making a comment for interest sake.
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Totally. Some bird in this part of the world goes "[something something] we missed you" like a person talking through the bird. Even though I don't pursue it anymore, I still hear the unmistakeable words. It used to torment me. Now I am free! :)
 
flaccon,

Would it be a relief to you find that no spirits are talking to you, or would it be a disappointment?

IXP
 
flaccon said:
I would say my family members are important to identify two of the voices. GP and the Rev'd, they were equally as important. Close friends also. Too many cert witnesses to go for the frog scenario option.
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In the frog scenario, I think we're at the point where he shows the frog to the talent agent, and when the frog doesn't dance, he holds it in his hand and moves its limbs as if it's dancing, to help it. The performance is unimpressive to skeptics like the talent agent, but others might say that they were watching a frog which was indeed dancing.
 
Maurice Ledifficile said:
Intersting side note. Someone pointed out the bob white. We have a "cheeseburger bird" here that appears to say just that.
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I regret the day I ever learned that towhees were supposed to say, "drink your tea." Now they don't say anything else.

The white throated sparrow is supposed to sing/say "O Canada," but oddly that's one I just can't hear. There's nothing close enough to a hard C to prompt the words, so I just hear a whistled tune.
 
flaccon said:
Could someone with a basic youcam app please record silence for approx 15 seconds and send it through to my email address? On playback I should hear silence.
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I don't have a functional webcam, perhaps others can help you out.

But if we could produce audio files that contain 'spirits', what would that suggest to you? That the spirits are trying to reach others too, or that it's pareidolia?
 
Biscuit said:
Yes they are but if the spirits were coming through your fingers into the wires then they would be able to come through on the silent recordings as well. As they can not it must mean they are in the actual recording or manipulating the software.

I suspect you are jiggling the speaker wires (spirits coming through your fingers) which is causing the playback of distorted artifact compression to be further distorted. As there is "nothing" coming through on the silent recordings you hear nothing when you mess with the wires.

At this point the spirits are choosing the most asinine method of communication I can possibly think of.



What does that mean? Are they in your fingers or in your computer? Could you write out, step by step, your process? Include everything you are doing. Also include how you think the spirits are doing this. Do they work through you or on you? Do they add the voices on their own or through you?

Please note that your claims of past haunting mean nothing in regards to this specific claim. One is not evidence of the other and they have nothing in common.
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I don't jiggle any wires about no.

I have no idea how they are doing this, they explain they can manipulate their speech through me to the wires. Just as the can perform art through me. I don't make claims of the past hauntings, I merely state that the unusual parts are documented. I am not trying to use the past as evidence.
 
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