Proof of Life After Death!!

[AdMan]

I understand how you might feel that way.

But you are wrong about JE.

If you were read by him, you'd know.

Just like I...know.

I think you keep forgetting what forum you're posting in.

That kind of crap won't fly around here, especially when it's about a known fraud.

 

[meg]

I understand how you might feel that way.

But you are wrong about JE.

If you were read by him, you'd know.

Just like I...know.

I doubt it very much. I don't have such a deep seated desire to talk to my dead relatives that I'm willing to suspend everything I know about the natural world, science, logic or reason.

So John Edward cannot give me what I want.

He's a one trick pony. He only seems amazing to people that really want his amazing trick to be real.

To everyone else, he's just profiting from human grief and misery.

 

[Robin1]

I think you keep forgetting what forum you're posting in.

That kind of crap won't fly around here, especially when it's about a known fraud.

A "known" fraud?

Because of some anecdotes? Oh, the irony.

Remember crazy alias guy on my blog pretending to know a JE plant in the audience?

Remember crazy alias guy on my blog pretending to spread a fake story before a JE event and then JE later supposedly using that story?

Both lies...proven later on.

Anecdotes of hot reading won't do it for me. What else have you got to prove JE is a fraud?

 

[AdMan]

A "known" fraud?

Because of some anecdotes? Oh, the irony.

Remember crazy alias guy on my blog pretending to know a JE plant in the audience?

Remember crazy alias guy on my blog pretending to spread a fake story before a JE event and then JE later supposedly using that story?

Both lies...proven later on.

Anecdotes of hot reading won't do it for me. What else have you got?

And yet you "know" he's a real medium, able to communicate with the dead.

Who do you think has the burden of proof here?

 

[meg]

A "known" fraud?

Because of some anecdotes? Oh, the irony.

Remember crazy alias guy on my blog pretending to know a JE plant in the audience?

Remember crazy alias guy on my blog pretending to spread a fake story before a JE event and then JE later supposedly using that story?

Both lies...proven later on.

Anecdotes of hot reading won't do it for me. What else have you got to prove JE is a fraud?

Your own anecdotes don't do it for anyone. What do you have that's not an anecdote that JE really can speak with dead people or is in any way psychic?

 

[Robin1]

I doubt it very much. I don't have such a deep seated desire to talk to my dead relatives that I'm willing to suspend everything I know about the natural world, science, logic or reason.

So John Edward cannot give me what I want.

He's a one trick pony. He only seems amazing to people that really want his amazing trick to be real.

To everyone else, he's just profiting from human grief and misery.

True, he cannot give you what you want if you are 100% closed minded to the possibility.

If I am indeed SO desperate to believe...why have I believed NO other medium (including other famous/popular ones) that I have been to?

Did my critical thinking skills and skepticism cease to exist magically on the day of JE's reading?

 

[meg]

True, he cannot give you what you want if you are 100% closed minded to the possibility.

If I am indeed SO desperate to believe...why have I believed NO other medium (including other popular ones) that I have been to?

Did my critical thinking skills and skepticism cease to exist magically on the day of JE's reading?

Apparently so. More to the point, you really were never that skeptical. Robin, you said yourself that you were looking for proof of life after death, so you kept going from psychic to psychic until you found someone who dished out the story you wanted to hear.

That's not critical thinking Robin. That's just shopping around.

 

[Robin1]

Apparently so. More to the point, you really were never that skeptical. Robin, you said yourself that you were looking for proof of life after death, so you kept going from psychic to psychic until you found someone who dished out the story you wanted to hear.

That's not critical thinking Robin. That's just shopping around.

If it weren't for John Edward I would still be shopping.

I believe you think I can't truly be skeptical , or a critical thinker, if I ever believe anything woo.

For example, The many psychics I went to at first and I thought were frauds (even famous ones) ...first you might say...kudos, Robin your skeptical thinking and critical thinking skills are great!

They only became flawed, I believe, in your opinion was when I went to a medium (JE) who I believed PROVED there was life after death.

And since then all my grand critical and skeptical thinking skills MUST have gone down the toilet.

Cause no way, no how there is life after death...and of that, you are 100% confident.

 

[meg]

And, I'd just like to add..

If JE were real, it wouldn't matter one whit what people believed. Because he wouldn't need believers to fill in the blanks for him and forget his misses. He could just spout out what he knew, and we all would be amazed at the accuracy. That's not how it works.


I'm sorry, could you show me where I congratulated you on your skeptical skills for going to lots of psychics?

And no. I don't think you really understand what critical thinking is.

 

[desertgal]

True, he cannot give you what you want if you are 100% closed minded to the possibility.

The only one who has shown herself to be closed minded here is you.

If I am indeed SO desperate to believe...why have I believed NO other medium (including other famous/popular ones) that I have been to?

You tell us. Perhaps they never pretended to make contact with Pops, so it was easier to dismiss them.

Did my critical thinking skills and skepticism cease to exist magically on the day of JE's reading?

Not magically. You just refuse to employ them. Instead, you allow yourself to be scammed by a loser who preys on vulnerable, grieving people (which is apparently okay with you, as long as you got to hear what you wanted to hear). You're not dumb, so obviously it's because you desperately want to believe.

 

[meg]

If it weren't for John Edward I would still be shopping.

Well, I'm glad at least you admit that that's what you've been doing.

Shopping isn't thinking Robin. It's just giving money to someone else who gives you what you want.

 

[jsfisher]

What does John Edward actually do beyond telling people what they already know (or want to believe). "He's dead, Jim."

Whatever abilities he has, he doesn't use them for anything productive, near as I can tell, other than to line his own pockets with money from the grief-stricken. So, where's the value?

 

[meg]

What does John Edward actually do beyond telling people what they already know (or want to believe). "He's dead, Jim."

Whatever abilities he has, he doesn't use them for anything productive, near as I can tell, other than to line his own pockets with money from the grief-stricken. So, where's the value?

Where's the value, indeed. That's a good question.

When I think about my Dad, and I wish I could talk to him, it's because I want to really talk to him. Have a rousing political argument. Or get his advice on a tax deduction. Or have him read and critique a piece of writing, maybe.

Somehow the idea of paying someone else hundreds of dollars to maybe get "My name has a 'CH' sound. And I see you fixed your ice maker" just doesn't cut it.

I can't see why anyone would be satisfied by something like that.

 

[ynot]

Explain to me:

1) JE's hits in the Michael Prescott article.

2) JE's hits with me and my brother.

3) JE's hits with my old work friend.

Then, I'll comment.

Talk about shifting the goalposts and expecting others to do all the work!

Your challenge mentioned nothing about having to do the impossible.

What’s wrong with using the JE video I used? It’s not anecdotal evidence and we can both see and hear it first hand as many times as we like. If JE can achieve “startlingly specific, unique, personal, unknowable hits directed at specific people” then it shouldn’t matter what reading we analyse to see if he can actually do so.

Others have repeatedly explained in detail why 1), 2) and 3) are not suitable for either proving or disproving anything about JE so there’s no purpose in me explaining the same information yet again.

You asked to be shown how JE does what he does and you have been conclusively shown that it’s not what you believe he does. You don’t want to know or admit the truth about JE and if you’re happy to remain his prattling love-sick groupie then that’s your choice.

 

[Robin1]

Where's the value, indeed. That's a good question.

When I think about my Dad, and I wish I could talk to him, it's because I want to really talk to him. Have a rousing political argument. Or get his advice on a tax deduction. Or have him read and critique a piece of writing, maybe.

Somehow the idea of paying someone else hundreds of dollars to maybe get "My name has a 'CH' sound. And I see you fixed your ice maker" just doesn't cut it.

I can't see why anyone would be satisfied by something like that.

So, just knowing your Dad survived bodily death, and can see what is happening in your life, and one day your love will reunite you, means nothing to you?

And your proof just doesn't cut it either. Read the thread. Again. Carefully.

 

[AdMan]

So, just knowing your Dad survived bodily death, and can see what is happening in your life, and one day your love will reunite you, means nothing to you?

I can't speak for Meg, but for you it apparently means you are willing to let yourself be fooled by some clever parlor tricks.

 

[meg]

So, just knowing your Dad survived bodily death, and can see what is happening in your life, and one day your love will reunite you, means nothing to you?

And your proof just doesn't cut it either. Read the thread. Again. Carefully.

No. That means nothing to me. It is a fantasy. A fairy tale.

My proof of what? You are the one with the alleged proof of life after death.

 

[desertgal]

Read the thread. Again. Carefully.

Most of us have done so. Why don't you have the decency to do the same? You are the one who brought your alleged "proof" here, yet you seem to be only interested in reading your own posts. You have a blog, If you are that fascinated with the sound of your own voice, can't you just speak there, without all the arm waving and attention seeking here?

Your approach is as fraudulent as JE's. Like attracts like.

 

[Foolmewunz]

So, just knowing your Dad survived bodily death, and can see what is happening in your life, and one day your love will reunite you, means nothing to you?

And your proof just doesn't cut it either. Read the thread. Again. Carefully.

I'd say this sums up your confirmation bias, Robin. You cannot believe that very many of us do not believe in this nonsense and thus have no interest in whether or not mom noticed that I just talked to a neighbor about her dog or that I kept something of hers close by,... "something personal".

I'd think that if JE could locate my mom among the F names in his galaxy of talking dead, the first thing out of his mouth would be "I have someone's mom here who says, "Joe, you made me a grandma again - I'm watching over Marcello and he's wonderful."

And please.... do keep repeating "Read the thread... read the thread... read the thread." Remember, that's how you converted all of us when you started... "Read the blog and all the comments.... Read the blog and all the comments... Read the blog and all the comments." That's where most of us began to see the patterns of a True Believer. You don't even realize how you kept tailoring the narrative to re-make it into something that it wasn't, originally.

So any newbies or lurkers out there: Read the thread... Read the thread... Read the thread. Please. It will do more to debunk Robin's wussy claims than anything in any one single post could do for you.

 

[tsig]

If it weren't for John Edward I would still be shopping. I believe you think I can't truly be skeptical , or a critical thinker, if I ever believe anything woo.

For example, The many psychics I went to at first and I thought were frauds (even famous ones) ...first you might say...kudos, Robin your skeptical thinking and critical thinking skills are great!

They only became flawed, I believe, in your opinion was when I went to a medium (JE) who I believed PROVED there was life after death.

And since then all my grand critical and skeptical thinking skills MUST have gone down the toilet.

Cause no way, no how there is life after death...and of that, you are 100% confident.

There you have it folks, if JE didn't do it then she would keep looking til she found it.