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Proof of Life After Death!!

You mean the way every farm boy does? Why is that so unusual?And we have here a real fan. With blinders on.
Here's the unusual part of it....JE says the right ("STARTLINGLY SPECIFIC") thing DIRECTLY to the right people.

Drinking milk straight from a cow...no meaning to me, having a dog named after an alcoholic beverage...no meaning to me, was someone in the family a shepherd...no meaning to me, air traffic controller of passing...no meaning to me, an IV mark being the closest thing to a tattoo...no meaning to me, a picture of a tree shrunken down...no meaning to me, someone in family reading coffee grinds...no meaning to me, me abusing a dog...no meaning to me, etc. etc...

Did I just buy a new refrigerator... Yes!

How does he know what to say to who?
 
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Here's the unusual part of it....JE says the right thing directly to the right people.

Drinking milk straight from a cow...no meaning to me, having a dog named after an alcoholic beverage...no meaning to me, was someone a shepherd....no meaning to me, etc. etc...

Did I just buy a new refrigerator... Yes!

How does he know what to say to who?

He doesn't say the right thing directly to the right people.
You who cannot be fooled have been fooled.
 
Here's the unusual part of it....JE says the right thing directly to the right people.

Drinking milk straight from a cow...no meaning to me, having a dog named after an alcoholic beverage...no meaning to me, was someone a shepherd....no meaning to me, etc. etc...

Did I just buy a new refrigerator... Yes!

How does he know what to say to who?
Do you have some words stuck on your fridge? It could be stuck like a post-it note or by a magnet. The wording is a message or reminder to do something. If so - How did I know?

If you think he says everything right and gets nothing wrong then you clearly haven't seen any unedited tapes of him perfoming.
 
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How does he know what to say to who?


That is the wrong question. The correct question is, "How does he make it seem that he knows what to say to who?" And the answer to that has been provided dozens of times in this thread.
 
He doesn't. He says lots of things to lots of people. Occasionally he's bound to say something to someone that resonates with them. There is nothing remotely remarkable or surprising about this. Only if it was demonstrated that he consistently did this more often than could be expected by chance would it be remarkable or surprising.

Unfortunately we all have built in cognitive biases that cause us to vastly underestimate how often "more often than could be expected by chance" is.

Fortunately we've invented something called the scientific method which allows us to compensate for those biases, and determine if people like JE really can do what they claim.

Unfortunately JE has steadfastly refused to be tested using the scientific method. (Please don't mention SchwartZ. Schwartz is a joke).
 
He did and he does...REPEATEDLY.

I lived it.

No, he didn't. No, he doesn't. No, you didn't.
You think he did. You think he does. You think you did.
You have allowed yourself to be fooled.
You have been complicit in your own fooling.
 
Anyone else notice how JE’s patter is similar to that of an auctioneer?

Auctioneers talk fast and chant in a rhythmic monotone to lull their customers into a conditioned pattern of call and response - just like JE does. Auctioneers use their patter to pressure people to give them higher bids, JE uses a similar patter to pressures people to give him “yes” answers.

I also notice the way JE often puts pressure on the “readee” by saying they can only give yes or no answers. He then throws quick questions at them and pressures them for immediate “yes or no’” answers. The people being under so much pressure and discomfort usually give a reluctant “yes” but their facial expression is usually clearly saying “I don’t know. I’m not sure. I need to think about it”.
 
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He did and he does...REPEATEDLY.

I lived it.
Do you think “He did and he does...REPEATEDLY” in this unedited clip? - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qx0Jt2jnLOQ

If you haven’t already seen the clip please watch it carefully and report back to us and let us know if you think “JE says the right ("startingly specific"), thing directly to the right people”.

A simple "yes" or "no" will do . . . but no pressure ;)
 
I’m tempted to transcribe part of a reading from both JE and JVP and see if Robin1 could tell which is which.

I suspect it would be a waste of time however as on past performance she wouldn’t participate in the experiment.

Would you Robin1?
 
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The thing is the important information isn't any more difficult than the mundane. "There's a tooth in that pocket over there" - "My dead body is in that container over there".

The thing is (and I find it hard to believe you've lost sight of this) that both are impossible. You can stick your fingers in your ears and sing lalalala but there is still no possible answer to your insistent question that adds any value to the discussion, for you or for Robin.
 
The thing is (and I find it hard to believe you've lost sight of this) that both are impossible.
I'm sure ynot hasn't lost sight of that but the point is that, according to Robin, one of these two things is possible. She thinks that it's perfectly possible for the spirit of a dead person to tell John Edward to tell someone who has a tooth in his pocket that he has a tooth in his pocket. So asking her why, in that case, the spirit of dead person doesn't tell John Edward to tell the police where his body can be found is a perfectly legitimate question. Either both are possible or neither is.
 
I'm sure ynot hasn't lost sight of that but the point is that, according to Robin, one of these two things is possible. She thinks that it's perfectly possible for the spirit of a dead person to tell John Edward to tell someone who has a tooth in his pocket that he has a tooth in his pocket. So asking her why, in that case, the spirit of dead person doesn't tell John Edward to tell the police where his body can be found is a perfectly legitimate question. Either both are possible or neither is.

No, we've been round and round that, above. The mechanism or method by which Ability X operates is unknown (for the sake of discussing the validity of the question, let's suppose, as the question does, that there is indeed a method of receiving messages from the deceased). We do know that JE can receive (let's suppose...) some classes of message. We also know that JE can not, apparantly, receive some other classes of message. This is evident from the messages JE (let's suppose) receives and communicates.

Robin has not, to my knowledge, claimed to understand the method. The intricacies of "that's not how it works" have been touched on above too, knowing (let's suppose) how something doesn't work is not the same thing as claiming to know how it does work (that's assuming Robin actually said that, but alas the quality of skeptical claim in this thread has been lamentable, so it's in reasonable doubt).

ynot appears to have made the assumption that 'receiving communication from the dead' is identical to 'talking to the living' (though even live people often won't tell you where the dead body is - Ian Brady being a distasteful real life example). He has no grounds to do that, nor indeed any grounds for supposing that one class of communication is as like another as to make no difference to an unexplained phenomenon (and let's stop supposing for a moment and remember that it's a fraudulent phenomenon, so he doesn't even risk being proved wrong, he can make any old claim he likes). No matter how you stress the similarities between two things, what remains as a difference may be a crucial difference. Feel free to provide your own analogy here.

I see that its a tempting question. It looks good, especially if you thought of it and there's a live woo in the water just waiting for your flashing lure with its hidden hook. But the flaw is primarily in pretending that you can define the phenomenon that you are attempting to disprove. It's like a strawman, really, you define the phenomenon in such a way that you can disprove it.

So the grounds for the question are flawed, it's not quite the perfect gotcha that it may have appeared when he thought of it. Furthermore, it has no value to this thread, none at all. We've covered this at length too. There are two possible answers:
a) A simple, honest "I don't know". Value: zero
b) A rationalisation, of variable complexity, which will be familiar phraseology beloved of apologists for all manner of woo. Value: zero

I can't see myself being moved much as to the validity of the question, we've had that argument and I've heard "they're the same thing!". Except in the ways they're different, of course. So not much scope for movement there. But I am very open to someone persuading me there's a third possible answer (though let's not suppose for a moment that there's any chance it will be 'gosh, ynot, why didn't I see it before, JE's a fraud!') and to the possibility that I have seriously undervalued one or both of the possible answers I've foreseen.

What I am obliged to suppose ynot wants from his insistent, strident repetition of this flawed 'gotcha' is that Robin will all at once abandon a belief and fall to her knees, clasping ynot's hand in tearful gratitude before the assembled skeptics shoulder him around the forum for a lap of honour, but it's been a long night and I may just be slightly wide of the mark there...
 
I'm sure ynot hasn't lost sight of that but the point is that, according to Robin, one of these two things is possible. She thinks that it's perfectly possible for the spirit of a dead person to tell John Edward to tell someone who has a tooth in his pocket that he has a tooth in his pocket. So asking her why, in that case, the spirit of dead person doesn't tell John Edward to tell the police where his body can be found is a perfectly legitimate question. Either both are possible or neither is.
And a tooth in a pocket trick is far easier for JE to pull-off than a location of a missing body trick.
 
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Here's the unusual part of it....JE says the right ("STARTLINGLY SPECIFIC") thing DIRECTLY to the right people.

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Did I just buy a new refrigerator... Yes!

How does he know what to say to who?
It's an audience of 10 people.

JE: Someone here just bought a new refrigerator. Maybe not today, but recently. Perhaps in the last year. Or two. Or their parents bought one. Or their kids. Maybe a friend or neighbor.

Audience Member 1: OMG! He's talking to me! How did he know?

Audience Member 2: OMG! He's talking to me! How did he know?

Audience Member 3: OMG! He's talking to me! How did he know?

Audience Member 4: OMG! He's talking to me! How did he know?

Audience Member 5: OMG! He's talking to me! How did he know?

Audience Member 6: OMG! He's talking to me! How did he know?

Audience Member 7: OMG! He's talking to me! How did he know?

Audience Member 8: OMG! He's talking to me! How did he know?

Audience Member 9: OMG! He's talking to me! How did he know?

Robin1: OMG! He's talking DIRECTLY to me! How did he know? He's so uncannily accurate!
 
Wow, another completely closed-mind! "Not interested" in even reading my link? How does anyone expect to learn ANYTHING without being open to a new opinion and experience?

You think you've got problems, I've enough evidence to sink ships, and it's still not enough.
 
You think you've got problems, I've enough evidence to sink ships, and it's still not enough.
Then why not share it with us? Despite pages of posts you have not yet produced any evidence at all, only anecdotes which have perfectly adequate mundane explanations. Just like Robin1.
 

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