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IXP said:
flaccon,

Have you asked the spirits about the 6 unsolved mathematical problems yet? Would it be insulting for them to solve one of them?

IXP
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IX I'm real sorry I don't think I've reached your post about this yet. I will though, and will reply.
 
Thanks, I will patiently await a response. It isn't often you are given a chance to be instantly world famous. I would like to see if the spirits will do this for you.

IXP
 
flaccon said:
The frog. It's not like that, it really isn't. Cool cartoon thank u.
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So far, from my point of view, it's very much like that. I hope you find the right person who will see this for what it is, but so far you have not or the message of the spirits would be out there for everyone to know already. The spirits have the power to make themselves known to everyone just as the frog has the power to keep singing when others were looking. In both cases, they choose not to (so far).

Ward
 
wardenclyffe said:
I hope that you are right and that Alderbank's visit will be fruitful. If he comes away unconvinced, please take another look at what I wrote. You have already described "suffering" so it's not all lollipops and candycanes. If you start to discover that they are just messing with you, it could get ugly.

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Seriously Ward, my suffering has been due to my plea's for Church intervention falling repeatedly on deaf ears. Hence GP letter to help it along, but no joy to even that.

It is very likely that Alderbank will be happy that he investigated.
 
IXP said:
Thanks, I will patiently await a response. It isn't often you are given a chance to be instantly world famous. I would like to see if the spirits will do this for you.

IXP
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I think it's weapon's down, feed the world and then it's revelation time. I could be wrong but what a thought.
 
I am impressed with the progress made today and I am looking forward to carrying out a test. I don't insist on Sunday. Any evening is good for me.

There is now have an agreed outline of a protocol using playing cards in envelopes. I would appreciate it if someone could write it up in detail (who brings the cards, how any timing works, who opens the envelopes and when, what constitutes failure and success, etc.). flaccon should agree to the procedure of course, ideally after a few dry runs to assure herself that the spirits are co-operating, and must promise not to change anything once the procedure is agreed.

I will provide the cards and envelopes if you tell me exactly what to do.

If everything is set up by Sunday afternoon then we can have a go at 5pm (BST). However that seems a bit close now to get everything in place. Later in the week is OK with me if we are not ready.
 
Pixel42 said:
Everybody has the ability to hear voices in electronic noise and see images in visual noise. What nobody has yet had the ability to do is demonstrate that the source of those voices and images is supernatural, rather than their own imaginations. You have so far given no reason to think that you will prove to be the first exception.
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Well I'm going for it.
 
Alderbank said:
I am impressed with the progress made today and I am looking forward to carrying out a test. I don't insist on Sunday. Any evening is good for me.

There is now have an agreed outline of a protocol using playing cards in envelopes. I would appreciate it if someone could write it up in detail (who brings the cards, how any timing works, who opens the envelopes and when, what constitutes failure and success, etc.). flaccon should agree to the procedure of course, ideally after a few dry runs to assure herself that the spirits are co-operating, and must promise not to change anything once the procedure is agreed.

I will provide the cards and envelopes if you tell me exactly what to do.

If everything is set up by Sunday afternoon then we can have a go at 5pm (BST). However that seems a bit close now to get everything in place. Later in the week is OK with me if we are not ready.
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It's all ready & waiting here Alderbank. If you have a laptop could you bring that also?
 
Biscuit said:
I know. We haven't received any specific claim that these spirits can actually do anything.

Personally I would like to hear them speak anything at all but it now appears that they can't be recorded they just speak when flaccon plays back a recording or some thing.

Has anyone really nailed down any specific claims beyond spirit voices?

I only suggested my name because Xterra knows it and I don't think anyone else does.

Eta I suggested my father because he really is dead, he really did say he would try and contact us and he knows that my 21st birthday gift was the most memorable day of my life. I would not be able to confirm or verify flaccon's answer but if she got it right it would seriously freak me out.

Eta2 come to think of it my dad was welsh so I doubt he would willing travel to Chester in this life or the next.
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Biscuit, they alter recording's, and that's fully tested too.
 
Tonight as I was playing ketchup with the thread, I had an amusing (and yet subjectively significant) thought... I'll see if anyone can work out the irony of these spirits saying they do not belong in a circus and that they hate cats (bearing in mind where the sound files were uploaded to and who uploaded them). :eek:

I wonder what their feelings are about Squid?
 
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Alderbank said:
I am impressed with the progress made today and I am looking forward to carrying out a test. I don't insist on Sunday. Any evening is good for me.

There is now have an agreed outline of a protocol using playing cards in envelopes. I would appreciate it if someone could write it up in detail (who brings the cards, how any timing works, who opens the envelopes and when, what constitutes failure and success, etc.). flaccon should agree to the procedure of course, ideally after a few dry runs to assure herself that the spirits are co-operating, and must promise not to change anything once the procedure is agreed.

I will provide the cards and envelopes if you tell me exactly what to do.

If everything is set up by Sunday afternoon then we can have a go at 5pm (BST). However that seems a bit close now to get everything in place. Later in the week is OK with me if we are not ready.
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Yes they are great with saying what cards are. They are calling cards out now (I will save this recording, and play it after we did the card test)
 
flaccon said:
I think it's weapon's down, feed the world and then it's revelation time. I could be wrong but what a thought.
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Jeez, All I asked for was to solve a difficult math problem, and you are going to bring world peace and end hunger. I will gladly accept either as proof that something special is going on here.

IXP
 
Flaccon: An important question if we are to develop a test protocol.

When you ask the spirits a question and listen to your audio files, do you hear their reply immediately or do you sometimes have to listen to it for a while before you can understand what they are saying?

If it sometimes takes a while, how long would it take on average to be able to ascertain a simple message such as the suit and value of a playing card?
 
flaccon said:
Biscuit, they alter recording's, and that's fully tested too.
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Of course it isn't.

(Oh, and ask the spirits about how to properly use apostrophes. It's getting tiring.)
 
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flaccon said:
Biscuit, they alter recording's, and that's fully tested too.
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You listen to a recording and hear one thing. A while later you listen to it and hear something else. Do you really think the simplest explanation of that is that the sprits are altering the recordings? Can't you think of another explanation?

IXP
 
Alderbank said:
I am impressed with the progress made today and I am looking forward to carrying out a test. I don't insist on Sunday. Any evening is good for me.

There is now have an agreed outline of a protocol using playing cards in envelopes. I would appreciate it if someone could write it up in detail (who brings the cards, how any timing works, who opens the envelopes and when, what constitutes failure and success, etc.). flaccon should agree to the procedure of course, ideally after a few dry runs to assure herself that the spirits are co-operating, and must promise not to change anything once the procedure is agreed.

I will provide the cards and envelopes if you tell me exactly what to do.

If everything is set up by Sunday afternoon then we can have a go at 5pm (BST). However that seems a bit close now to get everything in place. Later in the week is OK with me if we are not ready.
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Keep the test simple.

1. Flaccon must never handle the cards (until after their faces are later revealed), so that means you, Alderbank, need to provide them.

2. You should bring the envelopes, too, and flaccon should never handle them, either. No reason to get special manilla stock envelopes for the test. Normal "letter" envelopes are fine, but line the envelope with folds of paper or aluminum foil so there is no way the card can be discerned through the envelope.

3. If possible, shuffle and select the cards out of flaccon's sight. Perhaps with deck and hands inside a pillow case, maybe. You should not look at the cards' faces, either, by the way.

ETA: If at all possible, don't where glasses while doing this and have nothing reflective anywhere nearby.

4. Two trials should be more than enough. Flaccon must name both suit and rank of the card in each envelope. A time limit would be appropriate. Perhaps 30 or 60 minutes per card, but let flaccon decide.

It is 1 chance in 52 of getting either one right, and around 1 in 2700 for getting both by luck. If the spirits are at all cooperative, 2 for 2 is what I would consider a success. Anything else a failure.

I'll let others advocate an open pre-test. If there is an open test, show flaccon the card before putting it in the envelope then let her do whatever she likes to be comfortable with the protocol before proceeding to the actual test.

Be relaxed about it. No reason for anyone to "tense up" just because it's a test.


This is the recommendation that is mine and belongs to me.
 
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Stray Cat said:
Flaccon: An important question if we are to develop a test protocol.

When you ask the spirits a question and listen to your audio files, do you hear their reply immediately or do you sometimes have to listen to it for a while before you can understand what they are saying?

If it sometimes takes a while, how long would it take on average to be able to ascertain a simple message such as the suit and value of a playing card?
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If her experience is like mine, it takes a number of tries before you can make out the words. But after that they become clearer and clearer.

IXP
 
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