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rustypouch said:
I agree. That's one of the big issues I have about these kind of feminists/SJWs. They seem to have a rather low opinion of women, that they're so delicate and tender, and if a man looks at them the wrong way they swoon, needing days to recover from the ordeal. Also, if it's pointed out that only a few men a rich/powerful/leading the patriarchy, and most of us aren't like that, and could use some help too, and don't like being stereotyped as terrible brutes, and use run-on sentences, we're told to check our privilege and stop mansplaining.
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I really wish I could say you were strawmanning, but I can't. Maybe in an alternate universe you are.
 
Uh oh, they're onto Ally for being a White Male!

Ally Fogg has been posting some older material to build into his new posts and likely to put down some background for people to see what he's written. I have to say that I am... leery of what's been written so far. I've seen some of the commentary among the posts so far and I'm at the carefully considering narrow eye stage. It's male focused SJ talk. Which isn't my problem. I'm definitely getting a distinct smell of something, but I haven't yet got a concrete decision.
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Fogg's latest post on misandry, just...I...I dunno. Something tells me that you'll have more leeway with the traffic on "Men" if you're on one of the traffic-free roads like say "White". That's a part of intersectionality he seems to be failing at too.

'Cause, seriously, I don't know how I would have had as hard a time with gender standards if I'd been NT.
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Linky.

He recently reposted an article on privilege:

When people compile privilege checklists they often include many negatives – bad things that don’t happen to you because of who you are. I reject this. Not being harassed on the street is not a privilege enjoyed by anyone but is a fundamental right that should be enjoyed by everyone. Occasionally there are actual independent advantages to being white, straight, male etc, but they are rare. However there is a real privilege is not even having to be aware of the nature of the traffic on someone else’s road.

I’m a white, straight , cisgendered, middle-class, able-bodied male. I cannot accurately know what it feels like to be anything else, but I know perfectly well how all those things do or do not impact upon my life. I’d prefer to think of Stavvers’s traffic as all the various pieces of ****, large and small, that life throws our way simply for being who we are. If you’re a black, lesbian, disabled woman, yes, that **** is coming hurtling at you from all sides and however hard you try to avoid it, some of that **** is going to mess you up.
Some of the traffic is driven by individual actions of racists, misogynists or individuals who otherwise oppress others but most of it is institutional and necessary to the socioeconomic system.

I know what it is like to be a pedestrian on the highway marked ‘White.’ It’s a breeze. The amount of ****-traffic heading my way down that road is all but zero. I could lay out a sleeping bag across the white lines in October, set my alarm clock for Spring and lie down to hibernate, safe in the knowledge that not one single car, truck or bus will squish my toes. Being white is a piece of piss. The same goes for the road marked “straight.” The same goes for being middle-class, able-bodied and cisgendered. All those things are just big old lonesome highways without so much as a trundling tractor to disturb the bliss. I should know, I’ve been walking those roads for 45 years.

Crucially, however, this isn’t exactly how it feels to be male. Not to me, and not to many other men either. Standing in the middle of the road marked ‘Male’, I have to dodge loads of traffic. Whizzing by on one side are the gender expectations, the demands to be a stoical, self-sacrificial breadwinner and provider, a sexual conqueror, all that old, stubborn heteronormative and patriarchal bollocks. Whooshing past on the other are the prejudices and assumptions about male aggression or violence, laziness, criminality, domestic and parental incompetence and all the rest. All around are the institutional ****-trucks sent by legal structures, education policies, health services, military traditions and more. Is the road marked ‘male’ busier and more difficult to traverse than the road marked ‘female’? No, I don’t believe it is, but it doesn’t need to be, this is not a competition. If you’re a woman and/or a feminist and you’re reading this and sneering, thinking “that stuff doesn’t sound too difficult to me, what’s your problem?” then congratulations – you’ve just entered the precise, privileged mind-set of every angry anti-feminist MRA dude on the internet. Of course you don’t see it – it’s not your road.
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Linky.
 
Defector Syndrome n. The tendency of radicals to self-marginalize by exhibiting their dissent in such a way that it only speaks to those who already share their beliefs.

This phrase was apparently coined by one Patrick Reinsborough, in (or prior to) an article he contributed to the compilation Globalize Liberation: How to Uproot the System and Build a Better World (David Solnit, ed.; City Lights Books, 2004).

Note that the use of "radicals" in the definition (and in this post) is not intended to be pejorative or marginalizing. The same glossary that the above definition came from, in the book cited, defines "radical" as "a person committed to fundamental social change who believes we must address the roots of the problem rather than just the symptoms."

I have my doubts about the origin and aptness of the exact phrase "defector syndrome" (in other usages it appears to refer to behavior patterns observed in actual defectors introduced into new cultures, so one wonders if its use by Reinsborough represents a distortion or misunderstanding of that usage), but the phenomenon it describes appears to apply to FtB's most visible spokespeople quite well.

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Myriad
 
Myriad said:
Defector Syndrome
I have my doubts about the origin and aptness of the exact phrase "defector syndrome" (in other usages it appears to refer to behavior patterns observed in actual defectors introduced into new cultures, so one wonders if its use by Reinsborough represents a distortion or misunderstanding of that usage), but the phenomenon it describes appears to apply to FtB's most visible spokespeople quite well.

Respectfully,
Myriad
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Not to be confused with Defecator Syndrome.
Which only requires an "A" to be added , or A plus.
 
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Myriad said:
Defector Syndrome n. The tendency of radicals to self-marginalize by exhibiting their dissent in such a way that it only speaks to those who already share their beliefs.
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Interesting factoid.

Is there a phrase for radicals who self-marginalise by antagonising and driving away a large fraction of those who DID think they shared the same beliefs right until they joined up?

Hyperdefecator syndrome?
 
Tsukasa Buddha said:
Uh oh, they're onto Ally for being a White Male!





Linky.
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Also from that link:

Kassiane said:
I don't trust FTB anymore.

Cuz. Ableism. Rampant, unchecked "maybe he has aspergers" ableism. And TF. There are a whole ****ton of supposedly anti oppression blogs I won't read anymore bc they only care about their oppression.
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Who actually makes it into their bubble?:confused:
 
Lorentz said:
Interesting factoid.

Is there a phrase for radicals who self-marginalise by antagonising and driving away a large fraction of those who DID think they shared the same beliefs right until they joined up?
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It's all the same thing, I think.

The fact is, those people did not really share the same beliefs. But since they thought they did, it suggests that they did share some common ground. But instead of making use of that, as in "we agree on A, B, and C, so let me make the case for how D and E follow from that," the in-group says "since you're not on board with P, Q, and R, that makes you a Kryptonite monster whom we cannot endure interacting with, even worse than a primitive A-denier because at least those don't try to disguise their evil the way you do, and it's not our job to educate you." I think that's pretty much how the "syndrome" in question usually works.

Respectfully,
Myriad
 
Myriad said:
It's all the same thing, I think.

The fact is, those people did not really share the same beliefs. But since they thought they did, it suggests that they did share some common ground. But instead of making use of that, as in "we agree on A, B, and C, so let me make the case for how D and E follow from that," the in-group says "since you're not on board with P, Q, and R, that makes you a Kryptonite monster whom we cannot endure interacting with, even worse than a primitive A-denier because at least those don't try to disguise their evil the way you do, and it's not our job to educate you." I think that's pretty much how the "syndrome" in question usually works.

Respectfully,
Myriad
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I suddenly have flashbacks of the Life of Brian.

Yes, Stan - err, I mean Loretta - has the RIGHT to have babies, even if he doesn't have a womb.

Also, the only thing we hate more than the Romans is the ******* Judean People's Front.

I see Cleese playing Ceepolk there. Is it just me?
 
Lorentz said:
I suddenly have flashbacks of the Life of Brian.

Yes, Stan - err, I mean Loretta - has the RIGHT to have babies, even if he doesn't have a womb.

Also, the only thing we hate more than the Romans is the ******* Judean People's Front.

I see Cleese playing Ceepolk there. Is it just me?
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What have White Cis Males ever done for us?:crowded:
 
Humes fork said:
Also from that link:

Originally Posted by Kassiane
I don't trust FTB anymore.

Cuz. Ableism. Rampant, unchecked "maybe he has aspergers" ableism. And TF. There are a whole ****ton of supposedly anti oppression blogs I won't read anymore bc they only care about their oppression.
Who actually makes it
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It seems that A+ is becoming more and more anti-ableism (whatever it means).

Interestingly Amanda Marcotte's view is dismissed because of ableism, same for Greta in another thread. Kassiane seems to be on the warpath against ableism. The A+ tent is becoming smaller and smaller.

The more it looks to me is that A+ is becoming a self-help group; atheism and skepticism has long being jettisoned.
 
WillyWonka said:
anti-ableism (whatever it means).
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Ableism is prejudice or discrimination against people with disabilities. The most common examples online tend to be the use of clinical or formerly clinical terms for disabled people to disparage people. (e.g. calling someone one disagrees with "retarded")
 
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