pakeha
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Welcome to the forum, jbasfilh.
Could you explain why this is interesting to you, please?
Proof of Life After Death!!
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Welcome to the forum, jbasfilh.
Could you explain why this is interesting to you, please?
I “like” JE’s THE FIVE scheme/scam. You pay US$75 to buy a ticket in a draw to become one of THE (lucky) FIVE. If you’re not lucky enough to become one of THE FIVE your US$75 goes in to JE’s pocket for nothing (easy money). So rather than just discount his costs for five lucky people he runs a raffle that I imagine earns him more money than he losses in the discounted readings (if he does them). It’s totally at his word that he actually picks five winners and gives five readings so there’ no guarantee that his raffle is any more honest than his readings (and why would it be?).
Wonder why JE puts a $ before raffle ticket price of $75 on his site but not before his reading price of $800 (he just puts 800). Does he leave the $ out to make it seem like people aren't paying him actual money?
Wonder why JE puts a $ before raffle ticket price of $75 on his site but not before his reading price of $800 (he just puts 800). Does he leave the $ out to make it seem like people aren't paying him actual money?
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It's funny, as I was reading the list in the original article: my wife has drunk milk straight from a cow, and one of my favorite pictures of her is from an office Halloween party where she dressed up as a Christmas tree. Two good "hits" right near the start of the list. Do you think it's possible that John Edward was somehow getting a read on my wife instead of the person in front of him?
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Just in case Robin1 comes back, I have my own prediction:
Somewhere in Robin's house, there is a ticket stub from an important event that she attended in the past. This ticket stub has the number 2 or a 3 printed on it---it could be the date, the seat number she sat in, or a general issue number on the ticket. Robin may have forgotten where she left it or that she even has it, so this may be one of those "No....No....OMG YOU'RE RIGHT!!1!" moments for her. I'm pretty sure if she looks around she'll find it, in a keepsake or jewelry box, or maybe in that drawer where she found her dad's palm-frond cross. Check it out, Robin. I bet it's still there.
Somewhere in Robin's house, there is a ticket stub from an important event that she attended in the past. This ticket stub has the number 2 or a 3 printed on it---it could be the date, the seat number she sat in, or a general issue number on the ticket. Robin may have forgotten where she left it or that she even has it, so this may be one of those "No....No....OMG YOU'RE RIGHT!!1!" moments for her. I'm pretty sure if she looks around she'll find it, in a keepsake or jewelry box, or maybe in that drawer where she found her dad's palm-frond cross. Check it out, Robin. I bet it's still there.
My apologies, but I will not summarize anything.
The title of the article is pretty self explanatory. The paper may show some scientific evidence of the spiritual world.
Some additional points:
1) I thought you would be legitimate skeptics , but I realize ( based not just on this post but on others I have read) that you are sarcastic and closed minded people on average.
2) You think that your are so “scientific”, but in reality you are dogmatic believers of the materialistic world. Good luck. When death approaches I would like to see if you will be so “bold”.
3) There is another fallacy. And that is the greatest one. You think that the true knowledge just comes from what you call “science”, and that is stupid.
4) I strongly suggest that you watch the videos of John of God in the youtube. He has been healing people for over 50 years. The point here is: how can he perform such surgeries without sterilizing the equipment and anesthetizing the patient and not causing any king of infections?
My final point comes from a book called The Spirits Book written using a scientific methodology approach by a Frenchman called Allan Kardec in the 19 th century:
Question 941. The fear of death causes perplexity to many persons; whence comes this fear in the case of those who believe in a future life?
"Such fear is altogether misplaced; but when people have been, in their youth, thoroughly indoctrinated into the belief that there is a hell as well as a heaven, and that they will most likely go to the former, because whatever belongs to human life is a mortal sin for the soul, they are naturally afraid, if they have retained their religious belief, of the fire that is to burn them forever without destroying them. But most of those who are thus indoctrinated in their childhood, if possessed of judgment, throw aside that belief when they grow up, and, being unable to assent to such a doctrine, become atheists or materialists; so that the natural effect of such teaching is to make them believe that there is nothing beyond this present life.
"Death has no terrors for the righteous man, because, with faith, he has the certainty of a future life; hope leads him to expect an existence happier than his present one; and charity, which has been the law of his action, gives him the assurance that, in the world which he is about to enter, he will meet with no one whose recognition he will have reason to dread."
The carnally-minded man, more attracted by corporeal life than by the life of the spirit, knows only the pains and pleasures of terrestrial existence. His only happiness is in the fugitive satisfaction of his earthly desires; his mind, constantly occupied with the vicissitude, of the present life, and painfully affected by them, is tortured with perpetual anxiety. The thought of death terrifies him, because he has doubts about his future, and because he has to leave all his affections and all his hopes behind him he leaves the earth. The spiritually-minded man, who has raised himself above the factitious wants created by the passions, has, even in this lower life, enjoyments unknown to the carnally-minded. The moderation of his desires gives calmness and serenity to his spirit. Happy in the good he does, life has no disappointments for him, and its vexations pass lightly over his consciousness, without leaving upon it any painful impress.
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The title of the article is pretty self explanatory. The paper may show some scientific evidence of the spiritual world.
Some additional points:
1) I thought you would be legitimate skeptics , but I realize ( based not just on this post but on others I have read) that you are sarcastic and closed minded people on average.
2) You think that your are so “scientific”, but in reality you are dogmatic believers of the materialistic world. Good luck. When death approaches I would like to see if you will be so “bold”.
3) There is another fallacy. And that is the greatest one. You think that the true knowledge just comes from what you call “science”, and that is stupid.
4) I strongly suggest that you watch the videos of John of God in the youtube. He has been healing people for over 50 years. The point here is: how can he perform such surgeries without sterilizing the equipment and anesthetizing the patient and not causing any king of infections?
My final point comes from a book called The Spirits Book written using a scientific methodology approach by a Frenchman called Allan Kardec in the 19 th century:
Question 941. The fear of death causes perplexity to many persons; whence comes this fear in the case of those who believe in a future life?
"Such fear is altogether misplaced; but when people have been, in their youth, thoroughly indoctrinated into the belief that there is a hell as well as a heaven, and that they will most likely go to the former, because whatever belongs to human life is a mortal sin for the soul, they are naturally afraid, if they have retained their religious belief, of the fire that is to burn them forever without destroying them. But most of those who are thus indoctrinated in their childhood, if possessed of judgment, throw aside that belief when they grow up, and, being unable to assent to such a doctrine, become atheists or materialists; so that the natural effect of such teaching is to make them believe that there is nothing beyond this present life.
"Death has no terrors for the righteous man, because, with faith, he has the certainty of a future life; hope leads him to expect an existence happier than his present one; and charity, which has been the law of his action, gives him the assurance that, in the world which he is about to enter, he will meet with no one whose recognition he will have reason to dread."
The carnally-minded man, more attracted by corporeal life than by the life of the spirit, knows only the pains and pleasures of terrestrial existence. His only happiness is in the fugitive satisfaction of his earthly desires; his mind, constantly occupied with the vicissitude, of the present life, and painfully affected by them, is tortured with perpetual anxiety. The thought of death terrifies him, because he has doubts about his future, and because he has to leave all his affections and all his hopes behind him he leaves the earth. The spiritually-minded man, who has raised himself above the factitious wants created by the passions, has, even in this lower life, enjoyments unknown to the carnally-minded. The moderation of his desires gives calmness and serenity to his spirit. Happy in the good he does, life has no disappointments for him, and its vexations pass lightly over his consciousness, without leaving upon it any painful impress.
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No True skeptic eh?
Not original.
Again, not original.
What is this true knowledge of which you speak? No, seriously, wtf is it? And how do you know it?
We're way ahead of you here in regard to that quack/charlatan JoG.
Got anything more contemporary?
And regrads to you!
Pixel42
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John of God is a well known conman. If that's the sort of trickery that convinces you it's no wonder that you're giving credence to the likes of Schwartz.
Requiring evidence for extraordinary claims that stands up to scrutiny is not being close minded. Believing things because you want them to be true, despite all the evidence against them, is being close minded.
Believers come here all the time and accuse us of being close minded just because we don't fall for the simple con tricks that have fooled them. We are not impressed.
Requiring evidence for extraordinary claims that stands up to scrutiny is not being close minded. Believing things because you want them to be true, despite all the evidence against them, is being close minded.
Believers come here all the time and accuse us of being close minded just because we don't fall for the simple con tricks that have fooled them. We are not impressed.
desertgal
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Of course not.
No.
"May show"? Didn't you bother reading it yourself?
"Legitimate skeptics" can't be sarcastic? Someone better tell James Randi.
The problem is believers have no sense of humor.
"You all are closed minded meanies!" The default position of anyone who cannot, or will not, backup their claims.
It's "you're". Not sure what you mean by putting quotes around the word scientific, unless you are quoting someone. Please show us the post where a member said, "I'm scientific".
At any rate, we ARE logical. Sorry that you are not, but don't blame us for it.
Good stab at coherency there, but...fail.
Why do you keep quoting "words"? Are you James T. Kirk?
Strike 2.
No. He hasn't. But what does that have to do with proof of life after death?
The real question is why the jackass would perform surgery without sterilizing the equipment in the first place. What, he can "cure" people, but he can't boil water?
Again, what does that have to do with proof of life after death?
Oh, lordy.
Still waiting for your point.
Egrads.
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I think s/he meant it to sound like a sneer. Probably with a Homer Simpson voice.
Science is supposed to represent the accumulated knowledge of mankind acquired through "best practise". If there is a better way to get hold of new knowledge, science would use it.
The reason why you call it stupid is because science does not pander to your superstitions and wishful thinking. That is not a fault of science ...
desertgal
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Ah, I see. Oooouch.
That's why sarcasm is the province of skeptics, you know. We're better at it.
Hellbound
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Heh.
Reminds me of one of my all-time favorite quotes from Homer Simpson:
"Facts! Psht! You can prove anything that's even remotely true with facts!"
While it's a joke, at the same time that statement pretty much encompasses the underlying idea behind the scientific method, and by extension the skeptical point-of-view. The facts can prove it. And conversely, if it has no facts, it's not even remotely true
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I like the version of "no atheists in foxholes." It has been shown so often false one would hope it would disappear, but like many things illogically religious they hang on despite evidence and truth.
For the record, death has approached me, more than once. I did not suddenly convert.
For the record, death has approached me, more than once. I did not suddenly convert.
Sherman Bay
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Yep, I'd say ynot nailed it.
DuvalHMFIC
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Bravo, that was pretty darn funny and spot on. I love it when people assume I am closed minded. When I was younger, I heard about alien abductions and thought it was a fascinating topic. So I delved into it, only to be disappointed to find out there wasn't any tangible evidence of such a thing. Especially when I heard the real story behind Betty and Barney Hill (having watched a tv show just days before they came up with their story, among other things). I continue to hope for some evidence, because it would be really cool.
I also thought the idea of being psychic would be excellent. Moreso seeing the future than talking to the dead. I didn't have much interest in mediumship. Nonetheless, I set out once again to see if I could even perhaps become a psychic, or train my mind. I was once again disappointed when I realized there is no evidence that ESP works at all.
This is a never ending vicious cycle. I continue hoping for some of these ideas to bear some fruit. The world would be a cooler place with them (well, I don't really know that bigfoot would raise the cool level too much, unless he's an alien). However, until I have actual reason to suspect any of it, I won't. I'll continue hoping though.
I also thought the idea of being psychic would be excellent. Moreso seeing the future than talking to the dead. I didn't have much interest in mediumship. Nonetheless, I set out once again to see if I could even perhaps become a psychic, or train my mind. I was once again disappointed when I realized there is no evidence that ESP works at all.
This is a never ending vicious cycle. I continue hoping for some of these ideas to bear some fruit. The world would be a cooler place with them (well, I don't really know that bigfoot would raise the cool level too much, unless he's an alien). However, until I have actual reason to suspect any of it, I won't. I'll continue hoping though.
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Should I be reading "best practise" in my best Homer Simpson voice?
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Our "proof" of life after death is a plant we purchased for a grandmothers funeral. After the funeral, the family asked if we wanted to keep the plant. Sure, why not?
Didn't bloom for a couple years. Ended up with a surprise pregnancy that made our family larger than expected. Created a lot of stress in the house and anxiety. As the due date approached, the plant bloomed for the first time since the funeral. We decided it was Grandma's way of blessing the addition to the family. It felt good to think that and whatever helps you sleep at night, right?
Deep down we know the plant just bloomed. That'd be a pretty crappy after life being stuck in a potted plant in our bedroom. It's bloomed with some regularity since. Kind of a running thing with five kids and the two of us. Somebody always has a birthday or special event coming up. "Hey, Grandma says happy birthday!" "Grandma says good luck in your game!" "Grandma says happy anniversary!"
Didn't bloom for a couple years. Ended up with a surprise pregnancy that made our family larger than expected. Created a lot of stress in the house and anxiety. As the due date approached, the plant bloomed for the first time since the funeral. We decided it was Grandma's way of blessing the addition to the family. It felt good to think that and whatever helps you sleep at night, right?
Deep down we know the plant just bloomed. That'd be a pretty crappy after life being stuck in a potted plant in our bedroom. It's bloomed with some regularity since. Kind of a running thing with five kids and the two of us. Somebody always has a birthday or special event coming up. "Hey, Grandma says happy birthday!" "Grandma says good luck in your game!" "Grandma says happy anniversary!"
He doesn't cause any regal infections because he doesn't perform any surgery. It is for this reason also that the scam victim needs no anaesthesia