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Why is there so much crackpot physics?

Ben's answer was pathetic.
That was not obvious to me. When you were presented with a list of contrary evidence, your only response was "tosh". You also hasted to add that it was not your theory, so if we were not convinced by your single word of dismissal, we should trust the authority that you claim to represent, and just believe.

Furthermore, you seem to think that if math contradicts this theory that is not yours, then the math is wrong! What would your hero Einstein have said to that?

Gamma-gamma pair production, electron diffraction, magnetic moment, Einstein-de Haas, and annihilation to gamma photons is not some crackpot notion. So come on, where's your overwhelming contradictory evidence?
Have you already forgot that it was presented, but you thought that a single claim was enough to convince us that it was all tosh? And your list of overwhelming evidence is also supporting theories that have no
contrary evidence, so why should we consider yours?
 
Farsight he seems to be claiming knowledge of case (a), that SUSY is wrong. In other words, he's claiming knowledge of the particle spectrum between 800 GeV and the GUT scale. I'd like to know where he acquired this knowledge without an appropriate GUT-energy accelerator and detector. Oh wait, I know where he acquired it---he made it up. He probably drew a picture of it, too, and read some random articles in which an anti-SUSY truth has to be inferred by reading between the lines.
I'm not making anything up. You can make an electron and a positron out of two photons in gamma-gamma pair production. You start with field variation propagating at c, you end up with standing field. And in atomic orbitals "electrons exist as standing waves". It's quantum field theory. Not quantum point-particle theory. You can diffract electrons. The wave nature of matter is beyond doubt. But it's not a wave propagating linearly at c, now is it? So what sort of wave is it? A standing wave! It's obvious that the electron is a standing-wave structure.

Now take a look at SUSY and read this: According to the supersymmetry theory, each fermion should have a partner boson. Exact unbroken supersymmetry would predict that a particle and its superpartners would have the same mass. No superpartners of the Standard Model particles have yet been found... So let's just move the goalposts shall we, and say the energy isn't high enough? Because, er, supersymmetry isn't an exact unbroken symmetry. And then when those superpartners still aren't found, just move 'em again. And again, and again. And all the while we will dismiss the evidence of pair production, electron diffraction, Einstein-de Haas, standing waves, etc etc. And pretend that QFT somehow offers overwhelming contradictory evidence against all this undeniable hard scientific evidence? That's not science ben. That's pseudoscience. That's crackpot.
 
Tosh. And again, it isn't my hypothesis. Google on the toroidal electron.

What's with the reasoning by Google? What makes you think that this search term will magically convince me? Surely you must think that I'll find something convincing in the top hits? Why not link to the convincing thing? Because it doesn't exist. Let's look at this:

Wikipedia article on the "Toroidal Ring Electron", a piece of bare speculation from the pre-quantum era. It's a model from 1915 with no underlying dynamics, crap macrophysics, and nobody cares except for this one young-Earth creationist who incoroporated toroids into his Bible-compatible atomic physics screeds. I know this because I WROTE PART OF THAT PARTICULAR WIKIPEDIA ARTICLE, FARSIGHT.

I see the Williamson and Van der Mark article. Let me quote that:

For our model, we would like to be able to write down a set of equations ... which describe the self-generation of the confined photon from its constituent fields. We do not have such a detailed dynamical confinement scheme ...

The only reason that this is a toroidal model is that the authors chose to draw toroid-y pictures and label them electrons. There is no physics whatsoever justifying these pictures. They could have drawn Ford Fairlane convertibles and gotten any results, indeed any spin and charge, they could possibly want. Just like the 1915-era crap in the Wikipedia article.

See that spin ½? Like in Dirac's belt?

Why is an analogy in an educational math page evidence for an electron model? If you had a model you'd be showing the model, not linking to analogies and hoping I'll pick up something between the lines.

If you had a model, you'd provide a link to the model. If you had calculations, you'd link to your calculations. Instead, you have Google-search suggestions which lead straight to crackpot crap.
 
That was not obvious to me. When you were presented with a list of contrary evidence, your only response was "tosh".
Ben didn't offer any contrary evidence at all. This is what he said:

That is not "overwhelming evidence", that is "I drew a picture of it and really like how it looks". To people other than you, your hypothesis predicts that electrons should be integer spin, zero charge, zero magnetic moment, and should not interact with the weak bosons. Your hypothesis predicts that Maxwell's Equations are wrong and require a large nonlinear term, which contradicts observations. Your hypothesis is therefore falsified, which is the second-best thing that can happen to a hypothesis.

He knows full well that it isn't my hypothesis. Google on toroidal electron. And he knows full well that it doesn't predict integer spin, zero charge, etc. And he knows full well that the hypothesis is not falsified. He hasn't given any evidence, all he's given is straw-man assertions.

You also hasted to add that it was not your theory, so if we were not convinced by your single word of dismissal, we should trust the authority that you claim to represent, and just believe.
You should trust the evidence, not authority. Certainly not ben's "authority". Here's the evidence:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pair_production
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electron_magnetic_dipole_moment
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Einstein–de_Haas_effect
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electron_diffraction
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomic_orbital
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electron–positron_annihilation

Furthermore, you seem to think that if math contradicts this theory that is not yours, then the math is wrong! What would your hero Einstein have said to that?
Where did that come from? I didn't say the math is wrong. I said ben doesn't understand QFT. Take a look at two photon physics on wiki:

"From quantum electrodynamics it can be found that photons cannot couple directly to each other, since they carry no charge, but they can interact through higher-order processes. A photon can, within the bounds of the uncertainty principle, fluctuate into a charged fermion-antifermion pair, to either of which the other photon can couple".

Do you really think a photon spends its life spontaneously transforming itself into an electron-positron pair? Which then somehow transform back into a single photon? Unless one of them meets the other photon? And that pair production occurs because pair production occurs? Ben does.

Have you already forgot that it was presented, but you thought that a single claim was enough to convince us that it was all tosh?
It wasn't presented.

And your list of overwhelming evidence is also supporting theories that have no contrary evidence...
Again, QED isn't wrong. Ben, and others, just don't understand it. He thinks pair production occurs because pair production occurs. That's a myth that has arisen over the years, because people who don't understand the physics think virtual particles are real particles. Feynman would never have gone along with that. See Matt Strassler's article. Virtual particles are field quanta. They're just "chunks of field". Like you divide the photon electromagnetic field variation into little chunks, say each one is a virtual particle, and then you use them as your "accounting units" in your calculation. They're like virtual pennies. When you get paid there are no real pennies flying into your bank account. In similar vein there are no actual photons flying back and forth between the electron and the proton in the hydrogen atom. The physical reality underlying virtual photons is the evanescent wave. It's a standing wave. Google it.

...so why should we consider yours?
Because I give you the hard scientific evidence. See above. Ben doesn't give you any evidence at all. Nor does Perpetual Student. Just look at that evidence. You can literally make an electron (and a positron) out of light. You can diffract it. You can annihilate it and there's the light again. And if some say that's not evidence, beware. Because you know what sort of scepticism that is, Steen? The creationist sort.
 
I'm not making anything up.
...usual ignorance and "standing wave" fantasy snipped ...
Your are making things up. Or to be more exact you have been so gullible that you have fallen for an obviously flawed idea and are determined to continue to deny the flaws that debunk it.
If anyone is interested: The Is the electron a photon with toroidal topology? paper came up over 3 years ago and is fundamentally flawed. This was explained to Farsight in the Relativity+ / Farsight's thread, e.g. OK, I've read the Williamson and van der Mark
paper again. (they should have got a charge of zero for an electron).

Farsight has been blindly denying the science for over three years now :jaw-dropp!


We cannot make an electron and a positron out of two photons in gamma-gamma pair production.
We can make an electron and a positron out of one photon with the appropriate energy (usually gamma rays) when it passes close to a nucleus. Duh :eek:!
Pair production
Pair production refers to the creation of an elementary particle and its antiparticle, usually when a photon (or another neutral boson) interacts with a nucleus. For example an electron and its antiparticle, the positron, may be created.

You start with a standard electromagnetic field.
You end up with a pair of particles.

And in atomic orbitals "electrons exist as standing waves".
No they do not - that is a quote mine of a Wikipedia "lies to children" statement. It is used so an analogy can be made with energy levels and the modes of a standing wave. I will fix your quote mining:
The electrons do not orbit the nucleus in the sense of a planet orbiting the sun, but instead exist as standing waves. The lowest possible energy an electron can take is therefore analogous to the fundamental frequency of a wave on a string. Higher energy states are then similar to harmonics of the fundamental frequency.

In atomic orbitals electrons exist as "the eigenstates of the Hamiltonian operator for the energy". Atomic orbitals do not look anything like standing waves.

It is quantum field theory which is actually very particle like. Farsight - you really need to learn some physics :eek:!
QFT is about creation and annihilation operators that create and destroy particles in specific quantum states.
It is quantum mechanics that has wave-functions - and these are not waves!

We can diffract electrons. Duh!
The wave and particle nature of matter is beyond doubt. Duh!
It's obvious that the electron as a standing-wave structure is a delusion.
 
What's with the reasoning by Google? What makes you think that this search term will magically convince me....
it makes it crystal clear that it isn't my hypothesis.

Surely you must think that I'll find something convincing in the top hits? Why not link to the convincing thing? Because it doesn't exist...
But you're convinced now that it isn't my hypothesis?

...Instead, you have Google-search suggestions which lead straight to crackpot crap.
Oh huff and puff. I'm giving the hard scientific evidence here. You aren't. All you're doing is playing the naysayer, trying to pass off assertion as evidence. Only it doesn't work. And Perpetual Student's overwhelming contradictory evidence is looking a bit sick, isn't it?

Oh, and don't think you can escape what your hero Max Tegmark thinks the electron is made of. Mathematics! Our physical world is an abstract mathematical structure? LOL!
 
And he knows full well that it doesn't predict integer spin,

Williamson and van der Mark don't use Maxwell's Equations, nor gravity, nor Newton's Laws, nor quantum mechanics. If you do, you predict that a two-photon system has integer spin. W&vdM drew a picture, and drew some lines on it, and take some integrals which they call a prediction of spin-1/2. Who cares?

zero charge,

Again, if the authors had used any actual laws governing photons or waves, they would have predicted zero charge. Instead, they drew a picture of a torus, drew some lines on it, and labeled them "electric field lines". They lines they chose to draw are lines representing nonzero charge. But there's no way to actually get the laws of physics to produce lines like that.

W&vdM say as much in the paper. They say "we don't have any equations which describe how a fields can behave like this". They just draw a picture that does what they want in these two cases.
 
...We cannot make an electron and a positron out of two photons in gamma-gamma pair production...
Oh groan. Go and look it up.

All: this guy doesn't know what he's talking about, and he's making up the "fundamentally flawed". Follow his links and all you find is more straw-man naysayer assertions.
 
Williamson and van der Mark don't use Maxwell's Equations, nor gravity, nor Newton's Laws, nor quantum mechanics....
What they used isn't the point. The point is that it isn't my hypothesis. I take it that you concede that point. Now, here's my overwhelming scientific evidence:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pair_production
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electron_magnetic_dipole_moment
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Einstein–de_Haas_effect
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electron_diffraction
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomic_orbital
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electron–positron_annihilation

Where's yours?

If you do, you predict that a two-photon system has integer spin. W&vdM drew a picture, and drew some lines on it, and take some integrals which they call a prediction of spin-1/2. Who cares? Again, if the authors had used any actual laws governing photons or waves, they would have predicted zero charge. Instead, they drew a picture of a torus, drew some lines on it, and labeled them "electric field lines". They lines they chose to draw are lines representing nonzero charge. But there's no way to actually get the laws of physics to produce lines like that.
But the laws of physics are such that you can make spin ½ electrons and positrons in gamma-gamma pair production. Bah, you haven't got any evidence at all. All you've got is the maths must be wrong.

So come on ben, what's the electron made of? Look at that hard scientific evidence above. And then you can boldly pronounce that why, the electron is made out of mathematics! LOL, and here we are on a thread called why is there so much crackpot physics? LOL, irony!

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I've got to go now. When I look back in I don't want to find that people have been badmouthing me again. If I do I'll come back and give you another battering. Got it?
 
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But you're convinced now that it isn't my hypothesis?

So, the hypothesis you want to talk about is just Williamson and van der Mark? Why didn't you say so, instead of posting raw Google search results, hints to follow analogies from educational sites, etc.?

OK, start at the beginning. W&vdM's paper "calculates" the electron g-factor to be 2. This is overwhelmingly false. They vaguely suggest that maybe it's slightly different than 2 but are unable to supply a number, or even a direction, to this correction. (QED predicts that the electron g-factor is 2.00231930419922.)

W&vdM's paper (page 8) says since they can't prove that their configuration has a nonzero charge. They explicitly ignore the unknown electric field configuration (no model, remember?) and guess that some "reasonable fraction" of the field lines point outward.

W&vdM's "prediction" of spin-1/2 is nonsense numerology. They took two frequencies associated with their picture; the equation L = hbar w / ws is pulled out of a thin air, not because of any actual law of angular momentum, but because the authors were fishing for something equal to 1/2. The obvious orbital angular momentum---present even in their crappy drawing---is ignored.
They show that they're aware of the quantum-mechanical projection of angular momentum and state (I quote) "we can see no simple argument why the intrinsic photon angular momentum should distribute itself this way." Way to go, guys.

Contrary to your insinuations, there is NO "prediction" of pair production or annihilation. As far as they've actually worked out, (gamma gamma --> e- e- ) is just as likely as (gamma gamma -> e+) or indeed (gamma -> e) or (e--> gamma) or (e+ e+ --> e- gamma) and all suchlike nonsense. It looks like you are taking your enthusiasm for counting photons and guessed that it would be a "prediction" of the model. Yet you "cite" the existence of "predictions" in your usual bullying way---why? You take an obscure theory paper that doesn't contain any interaction calculations whatsoever, which doesn't even have a scheme for including charge conservation---and you think that the existence of positron/electron annihilation is "overwhelming" evidence for this theory? Why in holy heck why why why?
 
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Here's a non-Kuhn-ized picture of modern physics theory, which perhaps clarifies why BurntS's approach sounds so wrong to me.

Imagine you've lost a whole ring-ful of keys in a campground at night. You don't know how many keys were on the ring, or where you might have dropped them, or even what they look like.

The mainstream physics approach is sort of multi-pronged.

You can only look for your keys if there's light, so you start looking near the known campfires. You go to a campfire and start scouring the ground around it. You're looking for obvious key-shaped bits of metal, but you'll also pick up (at least cursorily) anything unfamiliar---"is this a key or a twig? I can't tell yet"---and examine it until you can figure out whether it's a key of some sort.

The other thing you do is to try to expand the campfires. We know, right from the beginning, that there are dark areas we're not exploring yet. We also know that there's no point exploring them without more light. So while part of your research is scouring the fire-lit campsites for keys (actual laws of physics), part of it is looking for new firewood and fire-rings (new theoretical tools).

Experimentalists can help. Experiments can launch flaming arrows into the dark. If you're lucky, your arrow lands in a woodpile and starts a new fire, giving theorists a new place to search. Experiments can also retrieve facts about the keyring and the locks---"one of the missing keys is a brass, double-sided Yale; none of the keys are painted pink"---giving more focus to the searchers. If you find something you think is a key, an experimentalist can sometimes stick it in a lock and see if it opens.

So, some common "trouble-with-physics" complaints, mapped to my analogy.

  • There's the big, original QM campfire and the big, original GR campfire. There used to be a dimly-lit area halfway between them, which Einstein spent his last decades searching. Both of the fires have gotten bigger since then, so this particular area is now well-lit and clearly devoid of lost keys.
  • String theory. String theorists lit a big new campfire, which turns out to illuminate a burned-out key factory. There are keys and key-like objects everywhere. But we don't know what part of the factory we're sifting through. Is it a scrap pile, made up of non-keys? A discard pile, containing billions of real keys whose locks don't exist any more? A mixture of the two, with our real lost key on top somewhere? We don't know. The search is slow and frequently unproductive, though we're getting better at it---Maldacena, for example, discovered that each brass key is a copy of a steel key. There's also a strong smell of pine resin, leading people to suspect that there are fresh firewood-stacks in this area.
  • Lee Smolin is annoyed that so many people are searching the key factory. He's got a small campfire of his own and wants more people to search the ground there. Peter Woit isn't actually searching for keys; he's sitting at Smolin's fire roasting marshmallows, and wants some company.
  • Crackpots are wandering around the oldest campfires picking up bottlecaps and detritus. "This is a key!", says the crackpot, holding up a discarded tissue. "No it's not," say the searchers, "put it down." Another crackpot wanders over and picks up the same tissue. "This is a contact lens!" he says. "First, no it's not; second, we're looking for keys; third, that is also not a key." says the physicist. "That's what they told Galileo," says the crackpot.
  • The more speculative sort of physicists---think Max Tegmark, Freeman Dyson, Frank Wilczek---like to look at the map of light and dark regions and speculate about the dark areas. "Most of the lit ground is sandy," they might say, "but mightn't there by an asphalt road running through it? Might there be a camp office with a vending machine? If so it's probably along the road. Sometimes people lose keys while rooting for quarters in their pockets."
  • The LHC is a whole battalion of archers with flaming arrows, standing on the shore of a lake at the edge of the campground. They're shooting arrows as far as they can hoping to light a fire on the far shore---or any sort of dock, isthmus, islet, peninsula, or even a buoy near such a shore. But so far all these arrows have landed in the water. The shore may be just out of reach, or it might be a thousand miles away. There's no way to tell but to keep shooting harder and harder.
  • BurntS is standing near the main, central bonfire. It's an area which has been searched heavily; indeed it's an area where all key-searchers train before heading to outlying campfires. "There really might be a key here," he says, pointing at the 2'x2' patch of sand underfoot. "I have drawn a map of the area around this bonfire, and a rational left-right sweep pattern that lets us search the whole area, and my sweep includes this patch right here." The searchers check his map. "We've covered that whole area many times over, including an excavation to a depth of three feet," they say. "But you didn't do it in a sweep pattern," says BurntS. "It's the same ground no matter how you cover it," say the searchers. "It'd be a shame if there's a key RIGHT HERE and we missed it because you didn't search my way," says BurntS. "Hey look! While you were staring at the ground, Nima Arkani-Hamed seems to have set fire to Feynman's entire site," say the searchers, scurrying off.
Excellent.
 
it makes it crystal clear that it isn't my hypothesis.
Why must you lie to us?

You have grossly embellished anything found in the one link relevant to your claims. Additionally, the authors of that paper admit that they have no evidence, just weak speculation. None of what they write has any wild claims about the aether or about the nature of time. Only you combine these claims into a hypothesis that you are unable to support with observational evidence.
I'm giving the hard scientific evidence here.
Please, what detailed measurement observation supports any of your claims? You still can't predict the rotation of a single galaxy or the perihelion advance of Mercury with your physics and I know that you have had five or six years to work on those questions. That's failure.
All you're doing is playing the naysayer, trying to pass off assertion as evidence.
Somewhat like always putting forth a limited amount of quotations from Einstein but never bothering to learn Einstein's science?
 
...Why in holy heck why why why?
Because of the evidence:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pair_production
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electron_magnetic_dipole_moment
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Einstein–de_Haas_effect
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electron_diffraction
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomic_orbital
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electron–positron_annihilation

Now address that evidence instead of ducking it and trying to pretend that you've got overwhelming contradictory evidence when you've got zip. All the evidence is on my side. And Einstein and E=mc². And Newton too: Are not gross bodies and light convertible into one another? Yes Isaac, they certainly are. A radiating body loses mass. And in electron-positron annihilation, it loses all of it.
 
Newton too[/url]: Are not gross bodies and light convertible into one another? Yes Isaac, they certainly are.
Do you also endorse the remainder of Newton's alchemy? As you are aware*, that passage come from Newton's alchemical speculation appended to the Opticks that are not a part of the scientific argument of the book.

Either you are cherry-picking a quotation from Newton because you do not support Newton's alchemy or you do understand and support alchemy. Which is it?

* You are aware because even if, dishonestly, you haven't read the book then you have seen the many posts pointing this fact out to you over the last few years.
 
Because of the evidence:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pair_production
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electron_magnetic_dipole_moment
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Einstein–de_Haas_effect
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electron_diffraction
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomic_orbital
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electron–positron_annihilation

Now address that evidence instead of ducking it and trying to pretend that you've got overwhelming contradictory evidence when you've got zip. All the evidence is on my side. And Einstein and E=mc². And Newton too: Are not gross bodies and light convertible into one another? Yes Isaac, they certainly are. A radiating body loses mass. And in electron-positron annihilation, it loses all of it.

Look, that's not evidence for the idea that electrons are actually photons. Certainly not evidence when the competing idea is that electrons are fundamental particles that aren't made of photons, but which can be destroyed in interactions with other kinds of particles in certain conditions.

You really do seem strangely obsessed with what some particles are made of - it could be the case that the things we think of as fundamental particles are not made of anything smaller and that the question 'what is an electron made of' simply does not have a useful answer. Why not just accept them as first class citizens of the subatomic world, just like photons and all the other particles of the standard model?
 
Ben didn't offer any contrary evidence at all. This is what he said:
He did, and you quote it correctly:
Your hypothesis predicts that Maxwell's Equations are wrong and require a large nonlinear term, which contradicts observations. Your hypothesis is therefore falsified, which is the second-best thing that can happen to a hypothesis.

He knows full well that it isn't my hypothesis.
Who cares if the hypothesis is falsified?

Other than an appeal to authority, you have nothing to show that the hypothesis is not falsified?

You should trust the evidence, not authority. Certainly not ben's "authority". Here's the evidence:
I do not anything in your list of evidence that shows that the hypothesis which is not yours, is not falsified.

Where did that come from? I didn't say the math is wrong.
Not in that post, but when pressed you never show the math that supports you, and you have at least once recently claimed that math is not the final arbiter of a physics theory.

Again, QED isn't wrong. Ben, and others, just don't understand it.
My argument was that QED can explain stuff without contradictions that your hypothesis (which is not yours) cannot (assuming it is correct that it is falsified). And you have certainly not been very convincing at showing that Ben and others here have a worse understanding of QED than you have.

You would do yourself a service by presenting the hard facts instead of references to Wikipedia articles that are irrelevant to the question if the hypothesis (which is not yours) is falsified.

Because I give you the hard scientific evidence. See above.
There was nothing in that evidence to support the claim that your hypothesis (which is not yours) is not falsified.

Ben doesn't give you any evidence at all. Nor does Perpetual Student.
I cannot speak for Ben, but I have the impression that several of your critics are willing to go all the way, but you never bite, and you give a clear impression that you will just search the web for more links rather than show the math.

Just look at that evidence. You can literally make an electron (and a positron) out of light. You can diffract it. You can annihilate it and there's the light again. And if some say that's not evidence, beware. Because you know what sort of scepticism that is, Steen? The creationist sort.
Evidence for what? Conventional physics have no problem here, and even if your physics (which is not yours) can explain it too, it does not prevent it being falsified.
 

W&vdM do not predict pair production---indeed, being unable to say what holds their toroid-picture together, they're utterly unable to say under what conditions the toroids are formed.

Pair production is a prediction of the Dirac equation. All the details match.


W&vdM do not predict the toroid dipole moment. They don't know what the actual field configurations are, so they took one candidate field configuration, guessed their way through a field calculation using dimensional analysis, and slapped the label "dipole moment" on a number (g=2) which is only correct to one digit.

The magnetic dipole moment is predicted by the Dirac Equation to fifteen digits of precision.


W&vdM do not predict the toroid spin. They do a nonsense calculation and slap the label "angular momentum" on the answer. (They basically find two frequencies in their picture, which differ by a factor of 2. They divide the frequencies to get a unitless 1/2. They then multiply by h-bar to get a number with the units of angular momentum.) They also ignore orbital angular momentum.

The Dirac equation predicts the spin.


This is standard quantum mechanics. Are you claiming that all quantum mechanical phenomena provide evidence that W&vdM are correct? Why? Because you think that all wave-like behavior must be attributed to photons? W&vdM do not make any statements whatsoever about the quantum behavior of their "electrons". Indeed, they express some bafflement about whether their model can be made to show the ordinary spin-projection behavior of quantum mechanics.

You're just pulling stuff out of your daydreams and fantasizing that they confirm something. Why limit yourself to diffraction? You may as well claim that W&vdM predict tau decay polarization, buckminsterfullerenes, and the Hoxne Hoard.
 
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Duffield (Farsight) already has a lengthy thread in which he promoted his Relativity+ crackpottery, for which this Williamson and van der Mark model played something of an inspirational role. Most of the arguments we're seeing here are repeating material from there.

I would say W/vdM were "foundational" for Relativity+, but he has at other times suggested other, superficially similar yet different models such as Qiu-Hong Hu's. The combination of loopy photons, Higgs-denial and GR-mangling, AFAICS, is indeed original to Duffield.

Such models have been thoroughly refuted time and time again, but (just to bring things back to the thread topic momentarily) it seems crackpottery often involves irrational attachments to a broken model.

See also: Flat Earth Society.
 
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