Continuation Part 5: Discussion of the Amanda Knox/Raffaele Sollecito case

[Bill Williams]

Knox had two choices. try to remove the body from the house and wipe the whole house down, but they decided that was too high risk b/c if they are seen with the body, it's game over. or try to remove their traces and leave Rudy's traces, and that's what they tried to do, but they left her blood mixed with the victim's in the bathroom and fiol's room, raffie's dna on the bra clasp, and raff's bloody footprint on the bathmat. it's probable their cleanup effort was interrupted by the unexpected arrival of the postal police regarding the found cell phones. (those cell phones were found 5 minutes or so from Raf's apartment).

With what scientific instrument do they tell the difference between their forensic traces and Rudys? And there is no mixed-blood at the cottage. This is according to Judge Massei.

 

[DrTesla]

What has that to do with the pictures of the bloody duvet, falsifying your contention?

At any rate if you managed to get banned at IIP you must have really worked at it! He does not ban people often. I've a few hundred posts there and exchanged some with Machiavelli recently, he's still posting. I didn't see it myself but someone was saying Machiavelli had speculated that Amanda was a whore and Rudy her pimp, apparently that didn't get him banned and I'm trying to think of what you might have said that would be worse!

Or you might just be joshing us a little...

he banned me b/c I was effectively destroying Amanda Knox, and I was having fun doing it. I'm an extremely funny man and humor is devastating form of persuasion.

Yummi is ok but he's not funny. that appears to be the only pro-guilt person this fischer guy allows over there.

 

[Bill Williams]

What has that to do with the pictures of the bloody duvet, falsifying your contention?

At any rate if you managed to get banned at IIP you must have really worked at it! He does not ban people often. I've a few hundred posts there and exchanged some with Machiavelli recently, he's still posting. I didn't see it myself but someone was saying Machiavelli had speculated that Amanda was a whore and Rudy her pimp, apparently that didn't get him banned and I'm trying to think of what you might have said that would be worse!

Or you might just be joshing us a little...

Dr. Tesla was banned at IIP. In my time there that is banning #2 that I've seen. Dr. Tesla carpet bombed some threads and made assertions galore. I'm not so sure what got Bruce's goat about Dr. Tesla, but I get the feeling that we're about to find out here in this thread.

Where's a moderator when you need one?

 

[yimyammer]

you think some black guy is going to be so stupid as to climb up the side of the house to gain entry though a high window? he has no idea of who is in the house or when the occupants are coming back, unless Knox told him this, and it would be more probable she just let him in if that is the case.

if he wanted to rape meridith, it's much more probable that he would have waited for her to leave and followed her and then attacked her in an isolated area.

why would he care about the other roommates clothes? Why ransack her clothes? He didn't even take anything.

I don't think it's likely he breaks into a cottage given the fact they knew him, and he was buddies with the drug fiends who lived downstairs. Just taking a lot of risk of being identified to break into a cottage of some college girls who didn't have a lot of money or possessions.

he's not this dumb. to believe he's the lone killer, you must believe he is the world's dumbest man, as well as possessing Superman type of strength to hold one girl down with no resistance, all while stabbing with two different kinves.

I dont think the color of his skin has any relevance whatsoever and certainly isn't a determining factor in whether he chose to break into the flat or not.

There are plenty of scenarios that would explain why this window would be chosen, the fact that it was the only window without bars and the probability the exterior shutters were not fully closed since they were made of wood and caught on the sill making them difficult to close (according to Filomena). Add in the fact the window below had bars on it making it useful as a makeshift ladder plus the sunken area and retaining wall gave him cover while he considered scaling this location.

By all accounts he knew the guys downstairs and could have dropped by to see them, found out they weren't home, then determined no one was home upstairs (perhaps by knocking on the door and getting no answer or seeing no lights inside) and then decided to commit a crime of opportunity and break into the house which if correct would not be unusual for him given he had broken into several other locations in the past.

Once inside, he could have felt the need to use the bathroom and perhaps that's when Meredith came home. I can see a scenario where he came out of the bathroom and surprised her and that's when she screamed so in an effort to quiet her, things got out of hand and since he knew her felt the need to kill her since she knew who he was.

I don't believe the story he told his buddy on the Skype call where he claims Meredith (who by many accounts wasn't promiscuous, had a boyfriend and seem to have the character not to cheat on him with Rudy) and he planned to meet the previous day:

R. Well, the next day, we had an appointment to see each other again.
G. I see.
R. I don’t know if you get me. The next day...
G. Yes.
R. Umm, she was game [c’è stata] and so was I. So, we see each other...
R. So we went in, and I think it was about eight‐thirty, or eight‐twenty, they're saying that she told her friends she was tired and wanted to go home. But in fact no, we were supposed to see each other, we had made an appointment the evening before during the Halloween party, at the Spanish kids' house, and I can also say, well I don't know the street but I can say where it was.
G. I understand.
R. If I were in Perugia I could say where that house is, and anyway those kids can confirm that I was at that party.
G. Okay.
R. And then, we saw each other at Meredith's house and we started talking...we started talking, and I, well, I tried, I mean I made a pass at her and she was willing [ci stava]. But in the end we didn't do anything because...she didn't have any condoms and neither did I.
G. Like...in the newspapers it says that...well, you must have done something with her if...
R. Yes but in fact, I'm telling you we did just ...oral stuff. Nothing, no penetration, because I didn't have a condom, we didn't do anything. And so it's all crap according to me that they said they found my...sperm...male sperm. Then I, that... it's not mine because we didn't do anything.

source

we're all speculating based on our interpretation of the evidence, so you obviously see it differently which is your right.

 

[DrTesla]

With what scientific instrument do they tell the difference between their forensic traces and Rudys? And there is no mixed-blood at the cottage. This is according to Judge Massei.

ok, well according to Barbie nadaue, the mixed blood was one of the things the first jury, the only one who saw all the evidence, thought was the most incriminating of Knox. kidn of amazing if there was none at the cottage. guess they got confused? it happens. LOL

 

[Bill Williams]

he banned me b/c I was effectively destroying Amanda Knox, and I was having fun doing it. I'm an extremely funny man and humor is devastating form of persuasion.

Yummi is ok but he's not funny. that appears to be the only pro-guilt person this fischer guy allows over there.

Dr. Tesla's humour was lost. Also there are about 8 guilters posting, including one with her own thread, "Math on Trial." That thread is one of the more active ones at Bruce's siye.

 

[DrTesla]

Dr. Tesla was banned at IIP. In my time there that is banning #2 that I've seen. Dr. Tesla carpet bombed some threads and made assertions galore. I'm not so sure what got Bruce's goat about Dr. Tesla, but I get the feeling that we're about to find out here in this thread.

Where's a moderator when you need one?

you are lying, bruce clearly bans pro-guilt people there b/c I was the only one there posting pro-guilt comments and there are a lot of people who think she's guilty. it's going to be 50-50 guilt-innocence on websites not moderated by a partisan. that Yummi guy is the only person that I've seen on his website that is pro-guilt and doesn't seem like he's posted recently on there.

this website seems to argue for a scientific and logical approach to things. If that is the case, they shouldn't be banning anybody who thinsk Knox is guilty, and guide didn't fly into through that window. I'm a nice guy and I never insult anybody on here. I didn't attack fISHER on his website despite knowing some stuff about him.

 

[Bill Williams]

ok, well according to Barbie nadaue, the mixed blood was one of the things the first jury, the only one who saw all the evidence, thought was the most incriminating of Knox. kidn of amazing if there was none at the cottage. guess they got confused? it happens. LOL

The first jury was from the Massei-Cristiani court. So far this is the only court who has the authority to have render things as factual. It is from the facts as established by the Massei-Cristiani court that the new Florence court wll start with another round of fact finding.

Barbie Nadeau has consistently misreported this case, as per her book. And there is no mixed blood in the cottage, as per Massei-Cristiani's motivations report.

 

[Bill Williams]

you are lying, bruce clearly bans pro-guilt people there b/c I was the only one there posting pro-guilt comments and there are a lot of people who think she's guilty. it's going to be 50-50 guilt-innocence on websites not moderated by a partisan. that Yummi guy is the only person that I've seen on his website that is pro-guilt and doesn't seem like he's posted recently on there.

this website seems to argue for a scientific and logical approach to things. If that is the case, they shouldn't be banning anybody who thinsk Knox is guilty, and guide didn't fly into through that window. I'm a nice guy and I never insult anybody on here. I didn't attack fISHER on his website despite knowing some stuff about him.

The posters in the past few weeks with a guilt perspective have been Machiavelli, Leila/Thoughtful, Super 8, Dexter, and another one who's peusdo slips my mind. You are the only one banned, and the first since someone made homophobic remarks about 14 months ago.

Innocenters are not allowed to post on the PMF sites, except for Tuedays. That speaks for itself.

 

[DrTesla]

Dr. Tesla's humour was lost. Also there are about 8 guilters posting, including one with her own thread, "Math on Trial." That thread is one of the more active ones at Bruce's siye.

ok, well most of the people over there were trying to get me banned and it was b/c I was slicing and dicing them in the debate. You are trying the same thing here. I did get banned at Perugia Murder File but that is b/c the moderater Skeptical Bystander is an ultra leftwinger and their readers are very liberal as well. One of them attacked Thathcer and reveled in her death, and I just shamed her for that, and the moderater clearly did not like that. I was also accused of being a secret agent for Knox despite clearly being in the pro-guilt camp, so they are just dumb in general.

 

[yimyammer]

You put the heal between b and c, not c and d..............

Ha! Well ****, so much for my effort to help.

3rd time a charm?

 

[GWCarver]

I'm a mechanical engineer, he works at some department store at the mall. I'm going to go with what I think over what that idiot thinks. He's just trying to get some attention for himself and the fact he has meet up with the Knox family is a little weird and instrusive to me. Dude needs to get a life, I think. It's one thing to be interested in this case, another to force yourself into the whole thing.

he's one of these fools who keeps saying the prosecuter Mignini argued it was about a satantic rite but Mignini never argued that. he said it was about tensions b/t the girls over Knox's lifestyle, and maybe an argument over money.

So, you don't recall Mignini using the word "rite" when describing the murder and linking it to Halloween? What kind of "rite" do you think he was talking about, coming off of the MOF fiasco, as it were?

 

[DrTesla]

The posters in the past few weeks with a guilt perspective have been Machiavelli, Leila/Thoughtful, Super 8, Dexter, and another one who's peusdo slips my mind. You are the only one banned, and the first since someone made homophobic remarks about 14 months ago.

ok, that's still a very small distribution of pro-guilt people. he may not ban every guilter but i know it's why he banned me. it really seemed to annoy him when I said that Knox's very active lifestyle (7 sex partners by the ripe old age of 20) and her heavy drug use is indicative of her having some deep emotional and psychological problems. the Knox true believers don't think you can ever talk about her sex life.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

Ha! Well ****, so much for my effort to help.

3rd time a charm?

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YES - that is pretty good, can you change the foot print into a shoe print - just kidding, that is excellent.

 

[DrTesla]

So, you don't recall Mignini using the word "rite" when describing the murder and linking it to Halloween? What kind of "rite" do you think he was talking about, coming off of the MOF fiasco, as it were?

i think the investigaters though it possilbly could have link to Halloween but it was never Mignini's theory. the only motive theory of his that matters is the one he presented his closing statement and that was about tensions b/t the girls over Knox's lifestyle and possibly an arugment over money.

I personally think Knox and raf did start off trying to scare Meridith with some kind of halloweenish prank, probably had gu-ede come over and pretend he was going to rape her, and then Knox went to town on her with the knife, possibly b/c she laced out on cocaine or some other hard drug. probably wasn't pre-planned but Knox hated that conceited little b---- Meridith who thinks she is so hot and perfect cuz she was in a music video and Knox doesn't take kindly to that little prissy miss perfect calling her a slut b/c she had a rabbit vibrator out in the open and she had a strange man over every other night. that's how it went down.

 

[GWCarver]

i think the investigaters though it possilbly could have link to Halloween but it was never Mignini's theory. the only motive theory of his that matters is the one he presented his closing statement and that was about tensions b/t the girls over Knox's lifestyle and possibly an arugment over money.

I personally think Knox and raf did start off trying to scare Meridith with some kind of halloweenish prank, probably had gu-ede come over and pretend he was going to rape her, and then Knox went to town on her with the knife, possibly b/c she laced out on cocaine or some other hard drug. probably wasn't pre-planned but Knox hated that conceited little b---- Meridith who thinks she is so hot and perfect cuz she was in a music video and Knox doesn't take kindly to that little prissy miss perfect calling her a slut b/c she had a rabbit vibrator out in the open and she had a strange man over every other night. that's how it went down.

Here's a quote from the NY Post:

Mignini always included witch fear in his murder theory, and only reluctantly relinquished it. As late as October 2008, a year after the murder, he told a court that the murder “was premeditated and was in addition a ‘rite’ celebrated on the occasion of the night of Halloween. A sexual and sacrificial rite [that] in the intention of the organizers ... should have occurred 24 hours earlier” -- on Halloween itself -- “but on account of a dinner at the house of horrors, organized by Meredith and Amanda’s Italian flatmates, it was postponed for one day.”

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/international/she_devil_in_the_details_KT3zbCuNv6iW356MZHppZK

 

[DrTesla]

Here's a quote from the NY Post:

Mignini always included witch fear in his murder theory, and only reluctantly relinquished it. As late as October 2008, a year after the murder, he told a court that the murder “was premeditated and was in addition a ‘rite’ celebrated on the occasion of the night of Halloween. A sexual and sacrificial rite [that] in the intention of the organizers ... should have occurred 24 hours earlier” -- on Halloween itself -- “but on account of a dinner at the house of horrors, organized by Meredith and Amanda’s Italian flatmates, it was postponed for one day.”

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/international/she_devil_in_the_details_KT3zbCuNv6iW356MZHppZK

nah, New York post, New York Times, CNN, etc, all let Doug Preston write their Amanda Knox copy. He's always said he's never called it a satantic rite, and in fact, he never talked about satanic rights in the narducci murder case either. he was only investigating the possible murder of that doctor, which was originally ruled a suicide, b/c they had evidence it might have been a murder and the wife thought it was as well. he also didn't come up with theh occult theory in the MOF case, which was developed back int he 1980s. Preston has spread a lot of misinformation b/c he has a beef with the prosecuter and he's trhing to get publicity for his MOF book, which is partly aboutu attacking the occult theory that is supported by the Italian police.

 

[DrTesla]

ok, i need to take a food run. i might be back later but i may have thought enough about murder for one night. LOL

 

[DrTesla]

I see one of these Friends of Amanda is attacking me over on Injjustice in Perugia.

One of their most popular and frequest posters is a guy who goes by SciFi Tom. If that guy isn't a buffoon then the word has no meaning. Calling me a buffoon when you are buddies with SciFiTom is rich.

 

[Bill Williams]

ok, that's still a very small distribution of pro-guilt people. he may not ban every guilter but i know it's why he banned me. it really seemed to annoy him when I said that Knox's very active lifestyle (7 sex partners by the ripe old age of 20) and her heavy drug use is indicative of her having some deep emotional and psychological problems. the Knox true believers don't think you can ever talk about her sex life.

People's sex lives have nothing to do with this case, especially with no evidence linking Sollecito and Knox to this horrid crime. It's not that one shouldn't talk about someone else's sex life, it's just that it has nothing to do with this case.

You are the only guilter he's banned, and it was for obnoxious postings. Gien some of the posts that have been on the sites in the last five years, that says something. Need to look in the mirror buddy.