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Merged Sylvia Browne: "You'll meet her (Amanda Berry) in heaven" / Sylvia Browne wrong again

It's about time SB got exposed like this! The fallout from this appears to be even bigger than the Hornbeck case. Unfortunately, I don't think most of her deluded fans will abandon her, but I hope this prevents her and her son from finding new victims.

I love the Wikipedia article about SB and I hope it stays that way! :)

I just wish there was something I could do to help expose these frauds and to try to get the media to stop making stars out of them. Ideally, the media should be exposing them, and it shouldn't take a big case like this to take them down. They are their biggest enablers, though sadly, ratings come before truth and skepticism. So it's an uphill battle.
 
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The public's angry reaction confirms the near-pointlessness of the JREF's mission. The majority of people already know "psychics" are crooks.
 
Rolfe said:
I'm also narked that Browne is being treated as the villain in this thread. She's a side-issue, or at least a different issue. These three kidnappers, slavers and very possibly child-murderers are the villains.
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Yeah, I was kinda hoping these fine fellows might fall down the stairs (continually) during their arrest but I've been informed that was a primitive reaction.
 
Rolfe said:
I'm also narked that Browne is being treated as the villain in this thread. She's a side-issue, or at least a different issue. These three kidnappers, slavers and very possibly child-murderers are the villains.
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It's a false dichotomy to claim that Sylvia isn't also a villain because the kidnappers are villains.

And as for the topic of this thread, Sylvia is indeed the villain.
 
the Talons said:
I am so relieved that Amanda Berry and the other women have been found and are safe with their families. Of course I do feel very bad telling Amanda's mother on the show that I believed her daughter was not alive, and I'm so so glad that I was wrong.
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First, Amanda is not with her mother. Her mother died about a year after Sylvia's devastating pronouncement on the Montel show.

Second, Sylvia most certainly did not claim that she "believed" Amanda was dead. That's simply a lie. She said it as if it were absolute certain knowledge.

I note that she has also claimed that she's right more than she's wrong--which is a gigantic step down from her previous claim of 80% accuracy (to anything just over 50%). Even so, she's not right more than she is wrong unless you count all unverified readings (the ones where the missing person is still simply missing) as right; and unless you count as right crap that is shoehorned in beyond all belief.

In fact, there is not one single case where it can be shown that her reading helped resolve a missing person case.
 
Brainster said:
According to this tally (which I'm sure you've read), she's actually been wrong far more often than would have happened by pure chance.



Indeed, from the stories there, it looks like she might be a perfect reverse barometer; if she says they're dead, they're alive, and if she says they're alive, you might want to buy black.
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Yes, i have said much the same a number of times, both on these fora and on my web site.
 
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Cain said:
The public's angry reaction confirms the near-pointlessness of the JREF's mission. The majority of people already know "psychics" are crooks.
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Or possibly the reaction shows the success of the JREF's mission. Just a thought. :)
 
RSLancastr said:
I know of no "big hits" she has had, stumbled upon or not.

As far as I have been able to figure, her star began rising when she got a gig on a local (San Jose, CA) TV show called (IIRC) People Are Talking, and her "folksy, down-to-earth" shtick caught on with the locals.

She then started making one-off appearances on shows about ghosts and other paranormal subjects, and parlayed all of the above into getting an appearance on The Montel Williams Show, on which she became a weekly guest on what Williams called "Sylvia Browne Wednesdays". Williams was thought of as a stand-up guy, and viewers evidently figured that if HE thought than Browne was "the real deal" (something he repeated almost every Wednesday)
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Has anyone called out Williams on his role in all this, after all if he hadn't promoted her...?
 
Graham2001 said:
Has anyone called out Williams on his role in all this, after all if he hadn't promoted her...?
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Montel Williams will likely offer one response: silence.

After all, this doesn't really affect him. His show is over. He doesn't have to worry about ratings anymore. If he gave a damn about Browne's victims, he wouldn't have continued to have her on the show in the first place, so it's doubtful he'll suddenly suffer a crisis of conscience. His credibility among the more obsessive believers is as unaffected as hers. The most he might have to put up with is criticism in the press, which is nothing new. Water off a duck's back.
 
Hellbound said:
Speaking to the dead is easy. Everyone can do it.

Getting them to speak back, now that's the rub.

:D
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Absolutely! Although there are a number of old friends and relatives who whisper in my brain occaissionaly. They certainly have never said anything to Sylvia!
 
Hellbound said:
Speaking to the dead is easy. Everyone can do it.

Getting them to speak back, now that's the rub.

:D
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Ahem.

You should credit Shakespeare when you paraphrase him. :D ;)

Will said:
Glendower:
I can call spirits from the vasty deep.

Hotspur:
Why, so can I, or so can any man;
But will they come when you do call for them?
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Robin1 said:
Now, let's please get back to Sylvia Browne...I thought of another way she could attempt to justify her bogus reading. Sylvia must have told Amanda's mom she would meet her daughter in heaven because her Mom was going to die first. And soon. So, her mom would not be on earth to meet Amanda when she was indeed found alive. Sylvia merely misinterpreted the symbols she was being shown.
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Well, I certainly wouldn't put it past a woman who, on telling a woman her husband drowned, and getting the response that he was in the Twin Towers on 9/11 promptly bounced back with the comment that he drowned in the water being used to put the fires out.

She is evil, and I don't say that lightly. I'm the sort who argues that 'monsters' don't exist, when people are getting mobs together over some killer.
 
chillzero said:
Well, I certainly wouldn't put it past a woman who, on telling a woman her husband drowned, and getting the response that he was in the Twin Towers on 9/11 promptly bounced back with the comment that he drowned in the water being used to put the fires out.

She is evil, and I don't say that lightly. I'm the sort who argues that 'monsters' don't exist, when people are getting mobs together over some killer.
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I am inclined to agree with you.

I do believe she is a fake and she knows it. Definitely evil.

But, just for the sake of argument let's say she is deluded and really believes she has psychic abilities. If she were a good person, she would realize all the negative repercussions her huge mistakes caused. She would apologize profusely AND publicly state that she now realizes her psychic abilities are not as good as she thought they were and because of that she is retiring! If she doesn't do that (she won't) then she is still a horrible person.
 
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