Merged Cold Fusion Claims

[Horatius]

open to all.

Any Rossiite who wants to make free money here? See my previous post. Put my money in your pocket.

It'll never happen. pteridine probably won't even see this until his next irregularly scheduled thread bump that tries to score points off of us via his vague sense of superiority.

 

[Craig B]

If you were willing to put up a reasonable amount of money, say, at least US$100,000 I would put up the same amount on an even bet. I would be willing to put up up to US$1 MM. I would travel anywhere in the world to facilitate this. Interested?

PS Obviously you would be betting that Rossi's device works as advertised. I would take the opposite.

You won't be required to put up a penny. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_Catalyzer

The six published demonstrations from December 2010 to July 2011 might contain a crucial flaw, according to Australian researcher and skeptic Ian Bryce, who was investigating for entrepreneur Dick Smith. He believes that the E-cat is misconnected, and that the power attributed to fusion is supplied to the device through the earth wire. He noted that the misconnection could have been inadvertent. Dick Smith offered Rossi one million dollars to demonstrate that the E-Cat system worked as claimed, while the power through the earth wire was also being measured, which Rossi refused.

So not for a million dollars will Rossi subject his contraption to another demonstration.

 

[pteridine]

It'll never happen. pteridine probably won't even see this until his next irregularly scheduled thread bump that tries to score points off of us via his vague sense of superiority.

Fortunately, Pteridine scheduled a thread bump that coincided with the other irregularly scheduled thread bumps and happened to read the irregular comments and irregular offers of irregular riches by others.

I see that you still live in an 'us versus them' universe and assume that I am trying to score points off of an undefined 'us.' My vague sense of superiority wants to know if points scored on JREF collect somewhere or have value? I ask because you seem to have a fascination with such and I never knew that points could be scored or who was keeping track.

 

[pteridine]

If you were willing to put up a reasonable amount of money, say, at least US$100,000 I would put up the same amount on an even bet. I would be willing to put up up to US$1 MM. I would travel anywhere in the world to facilitate this. Interested?

PS Obviously you would be betting that Rossi's device works as advertised. I would take the opposite.

Where might you put your money in escrow and how will the contract handle 'works as advertised,' i.e., we will need to define that term. I suggest 6x output/input. Will the unit have to run for a specified length of time or at a specified temperature? The wager may be overtaken by events as rumor has it that there was a third party test for the investors. Whether it gets published or when is not known at this time.

Just out of curiosity, cementhead, did you recently join JREF for the excitement of this thread or is this account just the newest one of several?

 

[Horatius]

Fortunately, Pteridine scheduled a thread bump that coincided with the other irregularly scheduled thread bumps and happened to read the irregular comments and irregular offers of irregular riches by others.

I see that you still live in an 'us versus them' universe and assume that I am trying to score points off of an undefined 'us.' My vague sense of superiority wants to know if points scored on JREF collect somewhere or have value? I ask because you seem to have a fascination with such and I never knew that points could be scored or who was keeping track.

Yep, that's the stuff.

 

[Mister Earl]

I keep my points in the skepti-bank. Half, anyway. The rest I have in my skepti-fund to hedge my long term debunkment portfolio. I deversify across heckling, logical correction, lack of credulousness, and general factual reinforcement.

It never fails me.

 

[pteridine]

I keep my points in the skepti-bank. Half, anyway. The rest I have in my skepti-fund to hedge my long term debunkment portfolio. I deversify across heckling, logical correction, lack of credulousness, and general factual reinforcement.

It never fails me.

Not that you would notice, anyway.

 

[Mister Earl]

Kindly provide evidence that I would not notice any failure in my long term debunkment portfolio.

 

[trebor]

I keep my points in the skepti-bank. Half, anyway. The rest I have in my skepti-fund to hedge my long term debunkment portfolio. I deversify across heckling, logical correction, lack of credulousness, and general factual reinforcement.

It never fails me.

Does it give as much of a return as 'investing' in Rossi's e-cat?

 

[Mister Earl]

Does it give as much of a return as 'investing' in Rossi's e-cat?

My portfolio returns are not the square root of negative one.

 

[acementhead]

Hi teradine

"Just out of curiosity, cementhead, did you recently join JREF for the excitement of this thread or is this account just the newest one of several?"

Pretty sure that this is my first JREF account although I have read stuff here as long as about three years ago I think. Certainly don't think that this Rossi fraud is exciting or even that discussion of it is exciting.

I would be willing to travel to anywhere if you were willing to put up at least $100K I wouldn't need a COP(whatever that is) of six, three would be just fine as I am 100% certain that it is total fraud. I can even tell you exactly how the fraud was done on the single unit demo that allegedly produced 15 Kw. Anybody should be able to figure it out easily, even Nobel prizewinners.

 

[Craig B]

... I can even tell you exactly how the fraud was done on the single unit demo that allegedly produced 15 Kw. Anybody should be able to figure it out easily, even Nobel prizewinners.

Go on, tell us! We're all agog with curiosity.

 

[trebor]

Go on, tell us! We're all agog with curiosity.

I assumed from his post that he was saying he could do so on examining a demo unit...
Which I can not see happening.

 

[Craig B]

I assumed from his post that he was saying he could do so on examining a demo unit...
Which I can not see happening.

Even a million dollars doesn't get you that, as I have already revealed.

 

[leonAzul]

Class 420/463 deals with "ALLOYS OR METALLIC COMPOSITIONS", and specifically with those with a palladium base. As such, the examiner who approved this patent, and thus claim 14 as well, would not have had experience with devices or methods for generating energy, as is recited in claim 14.

Had they maintained the restriction requirement, that claim would have been classified differently, and thus would likely have been examined by someone more familiar with the issues surrounding cold fusion.

So, the practical upshot is, claim 14 issued as is did because the applicants got lucky - they snuck it in with claims from a different class of invention, and got an examiner who wasn't familiar with cold fusion cases. This is a known weakness of the patent system, and one I've seen exploited before.

Huh?

I have been away from this thread, so forgive me if I am just catching up, but wasn't the original claim that the process involved Nano-Nickel™ and hydrogen that somehow yield significant quantities of copper in the "spent fuel", and wasn't there a European (Italian?) patent filed on that basis?

Is this a contradiction, or just the "secret sauce" he left out of the other patent? And what happens to the economy of the fuel claims if it does involve palladium after all?

This would be rich comedy right out of Cien años de soledad if people weren't getting soaked by this scam.

 

[acementhead]

It is trivial to deliver 15Kw through an ordinary extension lead from a "wall socket".
Rossi controls everything at his demos. Nobody tested the "wall socket" for voltage throughout the "public" trial.

Furthermore the calorimetry was utterly hopeless. All the steam should have been condensed. It is obvious that 15Kw of steam was not coming from his pathetic little hose.

 

[L.Y.S.]

[derail]

Has anyone seen the new watch I got? That's cold fusion.

[/derail]

 

[Christian Klippel]

It is trivial to deliver 15Kw through an ordinary extension lead from a "wall socket".

Not to defend that Rossi-Scam or anything, but no, not through a normal wall socket and not through a ordinary extension lead. At 230V, those 15kW amount to roundabout 65 Amperes. Regular sockets and extensions leads are rated 16 Amperes maximum, and the latter only in certain cases.

Greetings,

Chris

 

[acementhead]

Christian Klippel @ 06:02 PM

Rossi controls everything. It is his facility. It would be easy for him to have(variable) 1000 volts at the "standard wall socket". A new lead can easily take 1000 volts and 15 amps.

Try thinking like JR don't just accept the word of a serial scammer.

 

[Dancing David]

Christian Klippel @ 06:02 PM

Rossi controls everything. It is his facility. It would be easy for him to have(variable) 1000 volts at the "standard wall socket". A new lead can easily take 1000 volts and 15 amps.

Try thinking like JR don't just accept the word of a serial scammer.

Hi, welcome to the thread.

Your last sentence is totally out of line and inappropriate, did you read any of the thread or do you just make huge assumptions.