Merged Continuation Part 2: Discussion of the George Zimmerman case

[Rare Truth]

What I think people are talking about is your not including the word "marginal". As Mr Earl points out, don't expect to get away with such (unintentional or otherwise) misdirection.

Oh, it's intentional alright.

After the 80 or so posts (this thread and the last) on the word, we can be assured when he omits such a significant word from such a significant report, and having had it discussed so heavily - it's purposeful.

He might try to tell us in 84 words why it's more expedient to drop that one word to save keyboard finger jabs though.

I'm waiting for it next.

 

[Skeptic Tank]

Serino didn't say that last part.

Yes, actually, he did.

Unless you're prepared to claim that someone who tells you:

"So I was climbing the prison walls, and the guard's floodlight passed over the spot I had just been on RIGHT after I cleared it. I barely made it out of there."

Hasn't just told you they escaped from prison.

or someone who tells you:

"The bullets were whizzing right by my grandfather's head, the guy next to him took one right between the eyes... he made it out of there with his life, but it was a near thing."

Hasn't just told you their grandfather survived.

I can understand why TheL8Elvis wants to simplify it to just "Serino said it was consistent" because we all like to chalk one up on the "win" category for our "team" - it's like expecting President Obama to mention the fact that the bill he passed only passed by one vote, every single time he touts the fact that he passed it. The important thing is, it passed.

 

[Rare Truth]

It's intellectually dishonest, and everyone past 5th grade would recognize it as such.

 

[batvette]

Begging your pardon, Phonebook, but there isn't evidence of a continued assault. His injuries are not consistent with his claims and description of a continuous assault. I could replecate those injuries easily by having someone pop me in the nose once and then falling and hitting my head on the sidewalk.

Except (IMO) the most reliable witness.

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/story/17374352/trayvon-martin-shot-and-killed-in-neighborhood-altercation

"The guy on the bottom, who had a red sweater on, was yelling to me, 'Help! Help!' and I told him to stop, and I was calling 911," said the witness, who asked to be identified only by his first name, John.

John said he locked his patio door, ran upstairs and heard at least one gun shot.

"And then, when I got upstairs and looked down, the guy who was on the top beating up the other guy, was the one laying in the grass, and I believe he was dead at that point."



Read more: http://www.myfoxorlando.com/story/1...led-in-neighborhood-altercation#ixzz2PuO2c2Pn

 

[Skeptic Tank]

It's intellectually dishonest, and everyone past 5th grade would recognize it as such.

I'm not so sure, I think it's more just an effort to cut to the chase of what his findings were.

I do believe that if he'd said the injuries were "marginally inconsistent", based on other argumentation tactics I've seen here, a lot of the people pointing and laughing now would be leaving off the word "marginally."

 

[tsig]

I said it was a subset of consistent.

If you his injuries are marginally consistent with your story, the are not inconsistent with your story.

They are in the subset of things that are consistent with your story.

You are drowning in semantic soup.

 

[tsig]

Serinos statement must be pretty darn important, otherwise why would everyone be getting so worked up about it ?

Wow, so arguing with you about a point proves the validity of the point?

 

[Mister Earl]

Except (IMO) the most reliable witness.

Why don't the most reliable witness's statements corraborate with Zimmerman's wounds? Would you consider it possible the witness was mistaken?

 

[12AX7]

EMT's don't diagnose broken noses.

The ones with X-ray vision can.

 

[12AX7]

And yet again, you fail to answer the question.

If it was so obvious, as you claim, why did serino write:

"Investigative findings show the physical injuries displayed by George Michael Zimmerman are marginally consistent with a life-threatening violent episode as described by him." ?

I think you need to reassess the meaning of the word "marginally" here as you understand it.

HINT: Serino isn't helping George here.

 

[Rare Truth]

Except (IMO) the most reliable witness.

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/story/17374352/trayvon-martin-shot-and-killed-in-neighborhood-altercation

Your post is soooo April 2012.

 

[12AX7]

And please don't tell your wife she's "marginally good looking".

Just. Don't. Do. It.

I love this.

 

[12AX7]

Yes, you wouldn't have to worry. You shouldn't look for a pay rise either.

Either you are doing your job, or you are not. If you doing your job, however marginally, you are getting it done.

Next time you need surgery, be sure to pick a surgeon that is "marginally competent". And if you need an attorney, pick one that "marginally" passed law school and the bar. After all, they are "subsets", right?

We're now into semantics games and willful intellectual dishonesty.

 

[Skeptic Tank]

Do you plan to address the "HNIC" thing or are you hoping the new thread will forget about it? In case you missed it, go back and check it out.

Regardless of batvette's desires on the matter, I would have thought the new thread would be seen by everyone (including you) as a golden opportunity to get refocused and avoid topics like that.

 

[Mister Earl]

"Good god, what did you put on this toast? It tastes like old crankcase oil!"
"Sorry. I thought it was butter, but the little plastic tub says it's 'Marginally Margerine'."

 

[Cylinder]

A show cause order has been entered on the 5th DCA docket for Zimmerman's cert petition:

04/08/2013 Order to Show Cause-Writs 04/28/2013 20 DYS;REPLY 10 DYS

Florida Rules for Appellate Procedure 9.100(h)

Order to Show Cause.

If the petition demonstrates a preliminary basis for relief, a departure from the essential requirements of law that will cause material injury for which there is no adequate remedy by appeal, or that review of final administrative action would not provide an adequate remedy, the court may issue an order directing the respondent to show cause, within the time set by the court, why relief should not be granted. In prohibition proceedings such orders shall stay further proceedings in the lower tribunal.

 

[Mister Earl]

Agreed. Let's all focus on whether or not lethal force was justified. It is the crux of the issue and this case both, I believe.

 

[phonebook]

You've just described a fight where one person has gained the advantage. It isn't until weapons are involved or until one person is helpless and/or in danger of great bodily harm, permanent disfigurement, or permanent disability that it escalates beyond simple battery.

Please tell me how you differentiate between a "fight" and a prolonged assault.

Is it a fight when one of the "participants" is screaming at the top of their lungs for help, for 40+ seconds?

Who do you think was the one screaming?

 

[12AX7]

Is it a fight when one of the "participants" is screaming at the top of their lungs for help, for 40+ seconds?

Screaming for "40+ seconds"? Huh. I thought George was being suffocated?

Who do you think was the one screaming?

It's generally accepted that it was George screaming.

You know, when he wasn't being suffocated.

 

[phonebook]

You're assuming GZ's face, where the only source of significant blood was from his nose, was just as bloody laying on his back as it was when the photo was taken of him, upright, in the back of the squad car, many minutes after the injury was sustained.

There's no proof of when the blood from GZ's nose started flowing out of it, onto his mustache area, etc.

Wait, I thought the blood smear on his cheek was proof that Trayvon had smothered him. So who made the smears? And so I get this straight, George didn't bleed at all during the fight, but instead only bled afterwards? And we can then dismiss that he caused his own bleeding...how?

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/164823.php

If the nosebleed occurs while you are lying down, you may feel liquid in the back of your throat before the blood actually comes out of your nose.

You don't have to be a GZ "supporter" to understand this concept:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0NoiAZcuqrA&t=53s

"Ever seen blood run UPHILL before?"

ETA: http://www.entnet.org/HealthInformation/Nosebleeds.cfm

What is a posterior nosebleed?

More rarely, a nosebleed can begin high and deep within the nose and flow down the back of the mouth and throat, even if the patient is sitting or standing.

Obviously, when lying down, even anterior (front of nasal cavity) nosebleeds may seem to flow toward the back of the throat, especially if coughing or blowing the nose. It is important to try to make the distinction between the anterior and posterior nosebleed, since posterior nosebleeds are often more severe and almost always require a physician’s care. Posterior nosebleeds are more likely to occur in older people, persons with high blood pressure, and in cases of injury to the nose or face.