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[Diogenes]

Quite true Scotty. Remember that bit about RW suddenly claiming she had prosopagnosia while also maintaining she remembered Elevator Guy being in the audience during her speech and later in the bar?...

Hey, thanks, now I know what that disorder is called. Developmental or acquired, I wonder?

 

[RandFan]

For all we know, Elevator Guy might have been offering a business proposition, not a sexual proposition (assuming he existed at all). All we have is RW's testimony, which is shown to be, at the very least, exaggerated and self serving.

Quite true Scotty. Remember that bit about RW suddenly claiming she had prosopagnosia while also maintaining she remembered Elevator Guy being in the audience during her speech and later in the bar?

Exactly.

 

[Squeegee Beckenheim]

Quite true Scotty. Remember that bit about RW suddenly claiming she had prosopagnosia audience during while also maintaining she remembered Elevator Guy being in the her speech and later in the bar?

There was nothing sudden about it. Elevatorgate happened in 2011. The first time Watson claimed prosopagnosia was 2007. This has already been covered in this thread.

 

[RandFan]

There was nothing sudden about it. Elevatorgate happened in 2011. The first time Watson claimed prosopagnosia was 2007. This has already been covered in this thread.

Fair enough. Did anyone address how she was able to remember EG from the bar?

I’ve always had a problem with one specific kind of visual memory — faces. I can’t remember a face (short-term or long-term) to save my life,

 

[Squeegee Beckenheim]

Fair enough. Did anyone address how she was able to remember EG from the bar?

You'd have to ask her. I do know, however, that I wouldn't dismiss someone's reporting of how a particular condition manifests in themselves without knowing quite a lot about that particular condition.

 

[recursive prophet]

There was nothing sudden about it. Elevatorgate happened in 2011. The first time Watson claimed prosopagnosia was 2007. This has already been covered in this thread.

Wow. Many thanks for the correction SB. That must have been mentioned way back before I arrived. I do recall this being brought up before-maybe 50 or so pages back-and for sure then nobody posted the above link.

As Rand Fan points out it still doesn't fit with her being able to remember EG's face from both the audience and the bar, but it does show beyond doubt she did bring it up previously. My bad.

 

[RandFan]

You'd have to ask her. I do know, however, that I wouldn't dismiss someone's reporting of how a particular condition manifests in themselves without knowing quite a lot about that particular condition.

I'm happy to take RW's word at face value when it comes to this condition.

I’ve always had a problem with one specific kind of visual memory — faces. I can’t remember a face (short-term or long-term) to save my life...

That's from your link BTW.

Now, that's not to say this couldn't have been an exception, of course it could. That said, it's not confidence building when it comes to her veracity as it relates to this story.

 

[Walter Wayne]

I don't think it odd that she remembered him from the bar, people rarely change clothes between the bar and going up to the hotel room.

 

[UnrepentantSinner]

Hey, thanks, now I know what that disorder is called. Developmental or acquired, I wonder?

In her case, convienent.

 

[Diogenes]

In her case, convienent.

<cue rimshot>

Nicely done!

 

[Rrose Selavy]

I don't think it odd that she remembered him from the bar, people rarely change clothes between the bar and going up to the hotel room.

Some prosopagnosics recognize people from other features that are distinguishable between people , say, in the office , such as distinctive facial hair, unusual ties , they pick up on visual fragments, parts, voices . There's a British former Times newspaper co-editor Mary Ann Sigehart , who said once when a person changes their clothes it can make it harder. But given her career, it never stopped her.

Suffering from the medical condition prosopagnosia (face blindness), she (and several members of her family) struggle to recognise faces.[3]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Ann_Sieghart

original wiki ref link is dead but I have seen a documentary with her.

The artist Chuck Close also has the condition, which is ironic given his work, but he paints his huge portraits up bit by it, so his method suits his view of the world.

 

[Squeegee Beckenheim]

Wow. Many thanks for the correction SB. That must have been mentioned way back before I arrived. I do recall this being brought up before-maybe 50 or so pages back-and for sure then nobody posted the above link.

I did

 

[Krikkiter]

I'm happy to take RW's word at face value when it comes to this condition.

That's from your link BTW.

Now, that's not to say this couldn't have been an exception, of course it could. That said, it's not confidence building when it comes to her veracity as it relates to this story.

Sheesh. As has been alluded to, this has been internetted about for years. The veracity of her story has been pulled apart. The only people who can verify anything at all are RW herself and Elevator Guy. And since he hasn't come forward (interestingly enough), our only verification is from RW.

Where has the skepticism gone? What she has is akin to a UFO anecdote. Why is anyone here taking her story on face value?

RW deliverers a speech at conference. RW gets drunk at the conference and after drinking until 4 in the morning uh oh... incident! Do your homework people. There are people who were actually there and have recounted their experiences with her that night. Their stories are out there if you want to look. Nothing about any of the events that night fit with what she says and bad memory because of some condition seems to be a cop out. Invented after the fact to bolster her claim.

This thing is way past all that anyway. Seems some people have some research to do.

This was not directed at you RandFan but as a jump off.

Please guys, do your homework. This thread is so far behind what's actually happening re: A+ and FTB that it's almost useless.

 

[zooterkin]

RW deliverers a speech at conference. RW gets drunk at the conference and after drinking until 4 in the morning uh oh... incident! Do your homework people. There are people who were actually there and have recounted their experiences with her that night. Their stories are out there if you want to look. Nothing about any of the events that night fit with what she says

I don't recall anyone reporting any significant discrepancies; got a link? Not that it matters, since the fallout wasn't about her account of the initial incident anyway, but how RW responded to Stef McGraw and other who commented on it.

and bad memory because of some condition seems to be a cop out. Invented after the fact to bolster her claim.

As pointed out just above, that is simply not true.

This thing is way past all that anyway. Seems some people have some research to do.

Indeed.

 

[Krikkiter]

I don't recall anyone reporting any significant discrepancies; got a link? Not that it matters, since the fallout wasn't about her account of the initial incident anyway, but how RW responded to Stef McGraw and other who commented on it.


As pointed out just above, that is simply not true.


Indeed.

Well, the whole thing wouldn't have been ridiculously overblown had RW and her crew not insisted on calling the McGraw blowback misogyny.

If you don't know about the other accounts, go look. You're way behind.

And yes, the details re: the initial incident are quite important. Without these, RW's schtick falls on it's ass. Credit to RW though, very, very clever. She's still getting gig's years later right?

TBH, I can't remember the video that was linked to *in this thread* but like I said, do your research. It's old news. It's probably important but I've already seen it and the person that posted it *in this thread* has obviously had enough of the apologetics and hasn't posted here for quite a while.

That you are so behind on the whole thing is nothing to do with me.

 

[zooterkin]

Well, the whole thing wouldn't have been ridiculously overblown had RW and her crew not insisted on calling the McGraw blowback misogyny.

Er, yes, that was my point.

If you don't know about the other accounts, go look. You're way behind.

I saw some that purported to be from people who were there, but at least some were clearly wind-ups. You're the one claiming the accounts are there, please provide the links..

And yes, the details re: the initial incident are quite important. Without these, RW's schtick falls on it's ass. Credit to RW though, very, very clever. She's still getting gig's years later right?

No, really, it's not that important. I don't happen to think she would have made it up, though she may have embellished it slightly in the telling, but on its own her account of the incident wasn't that big a deal. It was what she said to Stef, and the platform she chose to say it, that caused the real stink.

 

[Squeegee Beckenheim]

Nothing about any of the events that night fit with what she says and bad memory because of some condition seems to be a cop out. Invented after the fact to bolster her claim.

I always understood that scepticism was concerned with drawing conclusions from what the evidence showed to be true.

Seems some people have some research to do.

It certainly seems so. Even down to little things like reading the posts on the page that they're replying to.

Please guys, do your homework.

Well, quite.

 

[Krikkiter]

Er, yes, that was my point.

I realise that.

I saw some that purported to be from people who were there, but at least some were clearly wind-ups. You're the one claiming the accounts are there, please provide the links..

I'm not talking about wind-up's. Have a look for DPR Jone's account of the evening/morning. I won't try to find the video. Could not be bothered.

No, really, it's not that important. I don't happen to think she would have made it up, though she may have embellished it slightly in the telling, but on its own her account of the incident wasn't that big a deal. It was what she said to Stef, and the platform she chose to say it, that caused the real stink.

I agree. The worst thing she did was what she did to Steph. But I happen to think she made the whole thing up. It's the simplest solution. Seems to me that RW has a history. I'd rather not look at any RW "incident" in isolation. I'd rather look at every incident as part of a whole. She has a history here too, as I'm sure you're aware and as a whole, her history tends to repeat itself. One drama after another.

 

[Krikkiter]

I always understood that scepticism was concerned with drawing conclusions from what the evidence showed to be true.



It certainly seems so. Even down to little things like reading the posts on the page that they're replying to.



Well, quite.

Well, anecdotes are evidence now? Hmmmm.... happy UFO hunting.

 

[zooterkin]

I realise that.




I'm not talking about wind-up's. Have a look for DPR Jone's account of the evening/morning. I won't try to find the video. Could not be bothered.

This one?

I agree with most of what he says. He doesn't actually cast any doubt on what she said happened, only on how genuine her reaction to it was.

I agree. The worst thing she did was what she did to Steph. But I happen to think she made the whole thing up. It's the simplest solution. Seems to me that RW has a history. I'd rather not look at any RW "incident" in isolation. I'd rather look at every incident as part of a whole. She has a history here too, as I'm sure you're aware and as a whole, her history tends to repeat itself. One drama after another.

You're accusing her of flat-out lying, inventing incidents, not just exaggerating her reaction to them?