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Elind said:
??. But they have changed the words many times. All that is needed to do that is to say that God got it wrong the first time and told them to change something.
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Of course, the changes were small grammar and spelling errors, nothing that really mattered doctrine wise and "if errors there be they were errors of man".

(apologetics, able to prove that black is white and white is black and never the grey shall be.
 
Elind said:
??. But they have changed the words many times. All that is needed to do that is to say that God got it wrong the first time and told them to change something.
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And that's evidence that they don't believe in Joseph Smith's words or the religion. They will continue to change their policies until all the weird stuff is gone.
 
deaman said:
Janadele -

Good day, sweetie.

I ran into a Jehovah's Witness publication, in which I guess what they believe to be some "big questions", were discussed. I wonder if you could give us your take on the answers from a dyed-in-the-wool Mormon perspective.

1. Does god really care about us?

2. Will war and suffering ever end?

3. What happens to us when I die?

4. Is there any hope for the dead?

5. How can I pray and be heard by God?

6. How can I find happiness in life?...

But, please Janadele, I would like to hear YOUR thoughts... Thank you.
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Comprehensive answers are in my previous posts ...
Basic summaries:
1. Of course our Heavenly Father cares about all His children. However if they choose wickedness and abominations instead of following His commandments then consequences will follow... that is Eternal Law.
2. This life is a trial. Free agency, and consequent incorrect choices leads to a world of wars and suffering. When we pass from this mortal world we will be judged on how we dealt with the trials of mortality.
3. Our Spirit leaves our mortal body and depending on our worthiness, passes on to the next stage of our eternal life .
4. Of course.
5. Pray to your Heavenly Father, in genuine sincere faith and belief, in the name of Jesus Christ, repenting of all sin and committing to obey Eternal Laws, the Commandments, and the true Gospel of Jesus Christ. Listen to the promptings of the Holy Spirit.
6. Read the Scriptures and follow the true Gospel of Jesus Christ. http://www.lds.org/?lang=eng is a good start.
 
Janadele said:
1. Of course our Heavenly Father cares about all His children. However if they choose wickedness and abominations instead of following His commandments then consequences will follow... that is Eternal Law.
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How wicked do children have to be before your evil god gives them cancer?
 
dafydd, Disease was introduced to our world through choices made by mortals since the days of Adam and Eve. Many suffer in mortality from the consequences of choices made by others.

There are many causes of cancer... pesticides, chemicals, foods cooked in oils at high temperatures, Aspartame, High Glucose Corn Syrup, second hand smoke from smokers, drugs, pollutions etc etc etc...
 
Did dinosaurs become carnivores because of the sins of Adam and Eve? I'm pretty sure I read that somewhere
 
Janadele said:
dafydd, Disease was introduced to our world through choices made by mortals since the days of Adam and Eve. Many suffer in mortality from the consequences of choices made by others.

There are many causes of cancer... pesticides, chemicals, foods cooked in oils at high temperatures, Aspartame, High Glucose Corn Syrup, second hand smoke from smokers, drugs, pollutions etc etc etc...
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But god cure could all children with a wave of his magic wand. I would if I could. I'm a nice guy and your god is a jerk. Diseases introduced by choice? What nonsense. Forget the silly BOM and get back to reality. Adam and Eve are fictional characters.
 
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Janadele said:
dafydd, Disease was introduced to our world through choices made by mortals since the days of Adam and Eve. Many suffer in mortality from the consequences of choices made by others.

There are many causes of cancer... pesticides, chemicals, foods cooked in oils at high temperatures, Aspartame, High Glucose Corn Syrup, second hand smoke from smokers, drugs, pollutions etc etc etc...
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This is incorrect. There was no Adam nor Eve and no Garden of Eden. We have a very clear understanding of the the evolution of life on Earth none of which support the Genesis story. Your beliefs need to change because the contradict the science.
 
Janadele said:
dafydd, Disease was introduced to our world through choices made by mortals since the days of Adam and Eve. Many suffer in mortality from the consequences of choices made by others.

There are many causes of cancer... pesticides, chemicals, foods cooked in oils at high temperatures, Aspartame, High Glucose Corn Syrup, second hand smoke from smokers, drugs, pollutions etc etc etc...
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Are Negroes "white and delightsome"?
 
dafydd said:
But god cure could all children with a wave of his magic wand. I would if I could. I'm a nice guy and your god is a jerk. Diseases introduced by choice? What nonsense.
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You're overlooking that in Janadele's cosmology, God does not have those powers because He is constrained by "Eternal Law." Eternal Law, not God's decisions, decide the cause and effect attendant upon human actions.

One wonders, though; why should we worship a God who is at best a mere referee of laws enacted and enforced by a higher power? Should we not instead worship the creator of the Eternal Law?

Respectfully,
Myriad
 
Myriad said:
You're overlooking that in Janadele's cosmology, God does not have those powers because He is constrained by "Eternal Law." Eternal Law, not God's decisions, decide the cause and effect attendant upon human actions.

One wonders, though; why should we worship a God who is at best a mere referee of laws enacted and enforced by a higher power? Should we not instead worship the creator of the Eternal Law?

Respectfully,
Myriad
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I'd go for the creator of the creator of the Eternal Law.
 
Janadele said:
Comprehensive answers are in my previous posts ...
Basic summaries:
1. Of course our Heavenly Father cares about all His children. However if they choose wickedness and abominations instead of following His commandments then consequences will follow... that is Eternal Law.
2. This life is a trial. Free agency, and consequent incorrect choices leads to a world of wars and suffering. When we pass from this mortal world we will be judged on how we dealt with the trials of mortality.
3. Our Spirit leaves our mortal body and depending on our worthiness, passes on to the next stage of our eternal life .
4. Of course.
5. Pray to your Heavenly Father, in genuine sincere faith and belief, in the name of Jesus Christ, repenting of all sin and committing to obey Eternal Laws, the Commandments, and the true Gospel of Jesus Christ. Listen to the promptings of the Holy Spirit.
6. Read the Scriptures and follow the true Gospel of Jesus Christ. http://www.lds.org/?lang=eng is a good start.
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What a dreadfully sad way to go through life. :(
 
Janadele said:
dafydd, Disease was introduced to our world through choices made by mortals since the days of Adam and Eve. Many suffer in mortality from the consequences of choices made by others.

There are many causes of cancer... pesticides, chemicals, foods cooked in oils at high temperatures, Aspartame, High Glucose Corn Syrup, second hand smoke from smokers, drugs, pollutions etc etc etc...
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What the heck is High Glucose Corn Syrup, and what connection does it allegedly have to cancer?

Are you going to look that up in your scripture, consult science, or typically ignore the question?
 
Janadele said:
dafydd, Disease was introduced to our world through choices made by mortals since the days of Adam and Eve. Many suffer in mortality from the consequences of choices made by others.

There are many causes of cancer... pesticides, chemicals, foods cooked in oils at high temperatures, Aspartame, High Glucose Corn Syrup, second hand smoke from smokers, drugs, pollutions etc etc etc...
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Does your god have any ability to stop cancer? Or is he helpless in the face of the wicked things people do?
Just a yes/no to each question, please.
 
Janadele said:
dafydd, Disease was introduced to our world through choices made by mortals since the days of Adam and Eve. Many suffer in mortality from the consequences of choices made by others.
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Parasites? Viruses? Predators? In Africa there is a parasite that blinds children. There are infectious diseases that kill children by the thousands. What choice by what mortals causes parasites and germs to blind and kill children.

There are many causes of cancer... pesticides, chemicals, foods cooked in oils at high temperatures, Aspartame, High Glucose Corn Syrup, second hand smoke from smokers, drugs, pollutions etc etc etc...
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Let's focus on the many god made causes.

Why doesn't Sir David Attenborough give credit to God?
 
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Our Heavenly Father Eloheim also chose, as did we and Jesus Christ, to progress through a mortal trial in subjection to His Father.
 
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