Proof of Life After Death!!
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Pixel42
Schrödinger's cat
I see you edited your post.
Why is your dead father a credible source for certain information, malfunctioning phones and getting free food and drink but not for the words you'd written down?
What if Edward had told you he was telepathic rather than a medium and then made a lucky guess about your refrigerator? Would that exact same event no longer be "Proof of life after death"?
Why is your dead father a credible source for certain information, malfunctioning phones and getting free food and drink but not for the words you'd written down?
What if Edward had told you he was telepathic rather than a medium and then made a lucky guess about your refrigerator? Would that exact same event no longer be "Proof of life after death"?
Pixel42
Schrödinger's cat
I did not word it incorrectly. The only difference between psychics and mediums is how they claim to get the information they provide. Mediums claim to get it from the dear departed, psychics claim to get it via other (usually unspecified) paranormal means.
I see you ignore my point about Kellar. No matter; I will step in for Pixel42 a bit: [ETA: Cross-posting. I don't need to step in for Pixel42, but I will leave my comments as is anyway]
There are sometimes two differences between those who claim to be psychic and those who claim to be mediums:
1. The manner in which they claim to get information (as Pixel42 said)
2. Sometimes the type of information they pretend to reveal
That's it. As I said earlier, it's only trappings. At this point, though, it is hard to conclude that you are doing anything but trolling. Still fun, though, and valuable for lurkers to see when a point gets avoided.
I am reminded of someone who mentioned a satisfying irony about one of my posts. Regardless that the person was mistaken about the irony then, it prompts me to point out that it is appropriate now:
You continue to call us closed-minded and to insist that must look at everything in context, and yet you are the only one claiming perfect knowledge along with an inability to be fooled. Moreover, you refuse to look at what John Edward does in its entire context, which includes the entire body of his work. You want to enlarge the context just enough to please you but then stop because going further would shatter the illusion.
I love the smell of believers in the morning. Smells like....irony.
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OK let me try this another way. You are wrong, Pixel. Your statement...The ONLY difference between psychics and mediums is how they claim to get the information they provide is WRONG. There is ANOTHER HUGE difference. If someone is truly a psychic they may have absolutely ZERO ability to talk to the dead. Only a psychic MEDIUM can do that.
Pixel42
Schrödinger's cat
No you are wrong. Neither psychics or mediums can actually talk to the dead or get information by any other supposedly paranormal means. The only difference between them is how they claim to get their information.
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So this reminds me. When John Edward published his first book, he included, in the dedication... Sylvia Browne.
I was a believer at that time. For personal reasons, it was very clear to me, at that time, that Sylvia Browne was a fake. (Later I would change my mind on this and then regret it.) See link in my sig line.
And at the time I was a big believer in JE. I thought if anyone was the real deal, it was him. I liked quite a few of them but considered him one of the best. And so I was stunned that he could be psychic AND not get that Sylvia Browne was a fake. How could you be psychic and not get something that huge? To the point that you would honor this person in the dedication of your book?
The question still stands.
Of course now that I realize he's a fake too, it's obvious how he missed it.
Anything involving any sort of a physical object (pen, paper, cards, etc.) in my mind can always, always, always, be explained someway, somehow. Even if I couldn't figure it out by watching. I would be truly impressed if Garrette and I met on the street. He said, "THINK of a word, any word, and I will tell you what it is." If he guessed it right, I WOULD consider that he could be psychic. Of course, I'd want him to do it again. And probably once more. He could even get it close enough but not exactly, say for instance, my word was fridge and he said refrigerator. Or if my word was cat and he said kitty. Or if my word was Titanic and he said ship. But, I wouldn't require him to successfully do it 100X in a row for me to think he could have some real ability there. But, he would have to be able to do it again and again.
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I don't understand. If you believe one person is capable of doing it, why wouldn't others also be able to do it?
You're saying only one guy on the planet has this talent? And the talent is that he can communicate with the dead about refrigerators?
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In post 1622 I amended that statement to only include mediums. My mistake.
I would like to know this, too.
Point the first: I didn't cold read.
Point the second: I didn't use props.
Point the third: Still ignoring the Kellar bit, I see.
Point the fourth: None of us have claimed to be able to do what JE does, only that (a) he doesn't do what you claim, and (b) there are people who not only can but have done what he does, and these people use mundane means
Point the fifth: In testing JE to prove his claims, none of us would require 100% accuracy, merely something significantly (in the statistical sense) beyond chance under controlled conditions
Point the sixth: You are wrong. When I say it, I have facts on my side. When you say the same thing of us you have only the idea that you, personally cannot be fooled.
Point the seventh: If I ever claimed to be able to name any word any person is thinking at any time they surprise me on the street then I would be happy to let you test me that way. Since I never made that claim, I feel no qualms about saying that I won't.
Point the eighth: Your are veering into the land of the double standard. You would hold me to an "any time anywhere" criterion while letting JE get away with only doing it in circumstances he controls.
Point the ninth: I have offered to replicate what JE did for Gary Schwartz in The Afterlife Experiments. Search the forum for some years ago, and you may find the thread in which a poster (can't recall his name) was in contact with Schwartz and challenged any of us to do what JE did. I took him up on it, but I emphasized that it would have to be under exactly the same conditions, no stricter, with exactly the same loose judging criteria, no stricter. The intermediary was ecstatic and began writing up the protocols; he got mad when I pointed out that his protocols for me were much tighter than had been imposed on John Edward. Not surprisingly it fell through when I kept insisting on exactly the same standards. When the intermediary stopped talking to me about it, I attempted to contact Schwartz directly. He never responded to my emails.
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Nay_Sayer
I say nay!
The only difference between Psychics and Mediums is my tolerance for them.
Example; On the boardwalk of Atlantic City there are a number of palm reading stores, It's very obvious that these places are for entertainment, though some places pass themselves off as real.
Mediums however boil my blood, These frauds take their con game one step further and slink and slime their way around grieving families, dangling the carrot of comfort and the promise of speaking to that loved one just one more time and all it costs a measly 300$. Sideshow johnny has made a living off of others grief and misfortune and it sickens me he continues to do so.
I do have one correction, John Edward isn't a vulture, Rather, He fits perfectly Websters definition of a leech.
2.:Leech: A person who clings to another for personal gain, especially without giving anything in return, and usually with the implication or effect of exhausting the other's resources; parasite.
Question, What are your thoughts on James Praagh robin?
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Valerie Harper told me.
Kellar performed his miracle as a medium. Why not address that?
Allow me to prognosticate: Because of [minor and irrelevant point x] which you will claim means what Kellar did wasn't really like a medium.
Get over it; he did it exactly like a medium with better results than John Edward ever has, and he didn't use dead people to help him. You also don't know how he did it, and you also don't know every trick of mediums there is.
Another poor attempt at a joke, even if she weren't still alive, which she is.
Another obvious attempt to avoid answering questions and admitting what is plain for all to see.
FAKE!! I addressed it in here somewhere. Actually had all his books. Only problem was that I then went to see his show. My bro and I were finding it hard to stop laughing during it. We kept writing each either jokes about it! Yes, we're very mature. Even saved the joke sheet! People behind us actually got mad at us! Almost walked out but then it mercifully ended on its own.
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No, he's a vulture; he feeds off the dead. It's his whole disgusting schtick.