Proof of Life After Death!!

[Robin1]

That is an admirable position to take. You should demand credible evidence for things you are being asked to believe. The only problem, though, is that you have established as your default stance the most unlikely.

"Every other psychic is a fraud, so it's likely John Edward is, too, even though I cannot explain my experience." -- that's an ok default position.

"I don't know how he did it; maybe he does communicate with the dead, maybe not." -- that's ok, too, but weak given the preponderance of evidence already opposing the existence of psychics.

"John Edward is the real deal because I cannot conceive of any other explanation." -- not so good. Do you see why?

Just for the record, I did NOT actually say any of those things !!!! I don't want to be picky but since you put quotation marks around those statements, I'm afraid some people may really think I said those things.

 

[tsig]

I'm Sicilian.

Don't drink the wine.

 

[Resume]

\As for other people's hit miss ratio I really didn't pay enough attention to it, but like I've said sometimes misses really are hits, so that's a toughie anyway.

Don't you find that a bit convenient? As a matter of fact, under any other circumstances wouldn't you find such deliberate ambiguity laughable?

"Keep that, it'll make sense later."

Keep this wise guy.

 

[Robin1]

Don't you find that a bit convenient? As a matter of fact, under any other circumstances wouldn't you find such deliberate ambiguity laughable?

"Keep that, it'll make sense later."

Keep this wise guy.

I stopped laughing the minute the guy pulled a big tooth out of his pocket.

 

[Garrette]

Unfortunately, no, there are no recordings. I mentioned eons ago somewhere here the fact that JE won't let you tape is a big pet peeve I have against him! I even emailed his office about it but got nowhere. I also emailed his office hoping I could buy a recording from them...for reading with my Nana and Good 'n Plenty that I discuss in comments of my blog...and for reading here. I do believe a videotape is best way to evaluate a reading and audio 2nd best. Ironically ALL the fake psychics and mediums I have ever been to had absolutely NO problem with letting me tape the travesty. And I NEVER even listened to the tapes after...didn't need to. So I do agree that tapes are the best way to evaluate a reading but I don't believe it is the only way to know if a reading was real. That being said, I would sell my first-born to actually get my hands on tapes of those readings : ) What also annoys me about JE not letting people tape is that he is denying them what could be a beautiful memory to share with others and revisit whenever they want. I can sort of understand JE not allowing taping at public events but in no way understand him not allowing taping at a private reading.
As for other people's hit miss ratio I really didn't pay enough attention to it, but like I've said sometimes misses really are hits, so that's a toughie anyway.

Regarding the first bit I highlighted: there is another reason JE may be refusing the right to record.

Regarding the second bit I highlighted:

(1) I hope you have realized that because you noticed one or two apparent misses that turned into hits you are giving credit for far more hits than you can actually demonstrate

(2) Please re-read meg's post about the large array of possible hits when one does as JE does as simply asks for a "connection." In the Anchor bit, meg came up with about 20 possible hits off the top of her head. Ignoring for the moment that there are more possibilities, that means that it wasn't "One Word One Hit;" it was "Twenty Words One Hit." That is how the odds would be figured.

Likewise with Valerie Harper and your brother. Possible connections: He liked VH as a youngster; he had considered buying a ticket to the show; he bought a ticket to the show; someone close to him bought a ticket to the show; he read a review of the show earlier that day; he read a review of the show later that day. That's six possibilities I thought of in under a minute, so if we assume these are the only possibilities, JE's succes rate is not 1 for 1 but instead is 1 for 6.


ETA: I'm not sure that reflects it accurately. More appropriately, I think, is that it is the difference between someone hitting one of one three-point shots in basketball and someone hitting one of six three-point shots and then being told he's shooting 100%.

 

[Resume]

I stopped laughing the minute the guy pulled a big tooth out of his pocket.

I started laughing then. Odd.

ETA: Could someone refresh my memory on how this guy could not have been a plant? I'm getting all these mentalist antics mixed up now.

 

[Garrette]

I started laughing then. Odd.

ETA: Could someone refresh my memory on how this guy could not have been a plant? I'm getting all these mentalist antics mixed up now.

He could have been, but it isn't necessary that he actually was for the mundane explanation still to be the far more likely one.

 

[Resume]

He could have been, but it isn't necessary that he actually was for the mundane explanation still to be the far more likely one.

I guess I'm not understanding why Robin finds Ole Spooky Tooth so spooky.

 

[Nay_Sayer]

I had something to say but then robin came out with 'His misses are really hits bit'

More and more I keep thinking Robin is a paid shill for JE

 

[kerikiwi]

As for other people's hit miss ratio I really didn't pay enough attention to it, but like I've said sometimes misses really are hits, so that's a toughie anyway.

You haven't paid enough attention to JE's hit/miss ratio either.
And of course misses really are hits: how else can you believe this tripe?

If examining the hit/miss ratio it would be necsseary to agree ahead of the event what would be classed as a hit and what a miss, then there is less chance for what you have been indulging in: after the fact (or while it is happening) forcing the misses to become hits by the various means previously explained.

 

[jond]

I guess I'm not understanding why Robin finds Ole Spooky Tooth so spooky.

Gary Wright?

 

[Robin1]

I started laughing then. Odd.

ETA: Could someone refresh my memory on how this guy could not have been a plant? I'm getting all these mentalist antics mixed up now.

If you ( or someone) would please be very kind and copy 2 comments from my blog and paste them over here, I would be really appreciative. No, I can't do it and if you make fun of me I will cry!
Order and dates of posts got messed up on my blog so 1st one that explains tooth guy is under Robin 2:09 pm Sunday January 6, 2013 and starts with...Oy vey! Nyack Resident...
The 2nd one is under Robin 3:12 pm Tuesday November 20, 2012 and starts with...Nyack Resident, You're RIGHT!
Pretty please! If someone does it I promise not to make any stupid jokes for the next 2 days!

 

[jsfisher]

Just for the record, I did NOT actually say any of those things !!!! I don't want to be picky but since you put quotation marks around those statements, I'm afraid some people may really think I said those things.

Oh, I think it was clear those were possible statements that a hypothetical someone could have made. And although you didn't say word-for-word any of them as far as I know, the third is a reasonable paraphrase of what you have stated.

With that all said, can you get past the quibble and now actually address the question?

 

[Barking Spyder]

Gary Wright?

Doubt it but someone is definitely a "Dreamweaver," or just plain dreaming. There are so far no actual psychics or there would be a very large debit at the JREF bank account. While the notion of people looking on from the afterlife might be comforting to some, that's all it is, a notion. Even if one of these readings was completely unexplainable, that doesn't mean one can simply posit the idea that it must be a real connection with a spirit.

 

[xterra]

Robin,

In post #1520, you said "We are here to learn and grow spiritually [my emphasis] through our own experiences and choices."

Does this mean you believe that the entire purpose of this world, and perhaps of the universe, is that humans become better, either individually or as a species?

You are a librarian. Please find and read “The Damned Human Race” by Mark Twain. I believe it was in Letters from the Earth, Bernard DeVoto, editor.

I would be interested in your opinion of it, not as literature but as concept, with respect to teleology.

xterra

PS I recommend the essay to everyone, not just to Robin. But I want her opinion on it, with respect to what I quoted from her post.

 

[pakeha]

Robin, do Garrette's examples of what mentalists/magicians can do even make you stop and wonder?

They do me. When I read things like that, I am reminded all over again of how gullible the rest of us potentially really are. It also makes me feel a little better to see what I was up against.

Garrette, thanks for taking the time to post that.

Seconded!

I had something to say but then robin came out with 'His misses are really hits bit'

More and more I keep thinking Robin is a paid shill for JE

I have to agree with you there.

 

[ExMinister]

If you ( or someone) would please be very kind and copy 2 comments from my blog and paste them over here, I would be really appreciative. No, I can't do it and if you make fun of me I will cry!
Order and dates of posts got messed up on my blog so 1st one that explains tooth guy is under Robin 2:09 pm Sunday January 6, 2013 and starts with...Oy vey! Nyack Resident...
The 2nd one is under Robin 3:12 pm Tuesday November 20, 2012 and starts with...Nyack Resident, You're RIGHT!
Pretty please! If someone does it I promise not to make any stupid jokes for the next 2 days!

Robin, just highlight the text you want to copy, right click and then select copy. Go to where you want to paste it, right click again and select paste. If you get tangled up here somewhere send me a PM and I'll try to find the comments for you if you will just send me the link directly to them.

 

[Resume]

If you ( or someone) would please be very kind and copy 2 comments from my blog and paste them over here, I would be really appreciative. No, I can't do it and if you make fun of me I will cry!
Order and dates of posts got messed up on my blog so 1st one that explains tooth guy is under Robin 2:09 pm Sunday January 6, 2013 and starts with...Oy vey! Nyack Resident...
The 2nd one is under Robin 3:12 pm Tuesday November 20, 2012 and starts with...Nyack Resident, You're RIGHT!
Pretty please! If someone does it I promise not to make any stupid jokes for the next 2 days!

Robin

2:09 pm on Sunday, January 6, 2013


Oy Vey! Nyack resident, we've been down this road before.. Please read my brother Doug's and my earlier comments. Now here's a new one for you to try to (futilely) explain:
That night of the reading there were about 75 people split into 2 sides. Next to me there was a stranger who had come alone. He was kind enough to take notes while John was reading us. During the event John says, " This is going to sound strange but I'm feeling that someone on this side (our side) of the room has a tooth in their pocket!" Nobody claims it. John persists, "Yes someone here has a tooth in their pocket and it's a BIG tooth!" Dead (pun intended) silence. John then demonstrates and says I feel like "I just put my hand in my pocket and here it is, a tooth!" Nothing. John frustrated finally gives up and moves on. When the event was over we invited the lone stranger to join us at the bar. We all talked about the night, got to know one other and exchanged emails. When it was time to pay the tab the stranger reached into his pocket and pulls out $$ and a leather pouch. A look of shock on his face as he exclaims "Oh My God! I totally forgot about this pouch in my pocket..I don't usually carry it with me." He opens the pouch and what does he pull out? A big beaver TOOTH! Turns out this was an Indian spiritual "medicine bag" that he sometimes carried in his pocket. Yup he had A TOOTH IN HIS POCKET! Sorry, John! Oh, and by the way that stranger has since become a good friend. : )
Robin

3:12 pm on Tuesday, November 20, 2012


Nyack Resident, you're RIGHT! It's all clear to me now! Thank you, thank you oh wise Nyack Resident for opening up my poor gullible eyes! "Tooth Guy" MUST have been working for John Edward that night! And for the past few years despicable Tooth Guy has been keeping up the charade and pretending to be a friend to my brother and me...and my children...oh nooooo not the innocent children! When I think of all my boys' baseball games spent with Tooth Guy and fun days at my house for barbecues, and going to movies, and yes, seeing other mediums...I feel so hurt and betrayed! Woe is me! I wonder how much John Edward is still paying Tooth Guy to pretend to be our friend?! Boo hoo! Sniff sniff!
Really, Nyack Resident, Really?

And?

 

[ExMinister]

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[Robin1]

Robin, just highlight the text you want to copy, right click and then select copy. Go to where you want to paste it, right click again and select paste. If you get tangled up here somewhere send me a PM and I'll try to find the comments for you if you will just send me the link directly to them.

Thank you for your offer to help!!