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Proof of Life After Death!!

kerikiwi said:
What do you think of what he had to say while his back was turned?
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Robin,
If we can keep calm and stay on specifics, this is actually an excellent question. What, specifically, do you think of the number of statements he made in relation to the number that were accurate? What about the fact that he's completely pointing to the wrong area of the audience?

In short, let's just go with the evidence of what you have in front of you. Should anyone in that room have left there feeling, as you did, that they'd found The One? You purport to know a great deal about psychic shams and cold reading. Where would you rank that performance?

> Blatant and Failed Attempt at Cold Reading?
> Oh, yeah! Well he got something right, didn't he?
> The negative energies in the room interfered with his psychic ability?
> He had an off day?
 
Sorry if I'm repeating anything said earlier, but...

I've yet to see any unedited clip of John Edward not playing a game of 20 questions with his mark. I remember laughing when I heard James Randi mention that a guy was crying because he thought John Edward talked to his dead relative, but it was after Edward issued 23 probing statements within only 45 seconds, of which he got only three right:

1. That his dad is dead. (already knew that coming into it)
2. That he's an older man. (again, already knew)
3. That there was a younger man connected with him. (What do you know? He already knew that too.)

So basically Edward just shouted off a bunch of nonsense, and then repeated to the guy what he had already told Edwards, and somehow that proved that he was psychic.

If Edward was for real, has anybody ever asked him why the dead are fond of the game "Charades"?

Sorry OP, but you were conned.
 
Foolmewunz said:
Robin,
If we can keep calm and stay on specifics, this is actually an excellent question. What, specifically, do you think of the number of statements he made in relation to the number that were accurate? What about the fact that he's completely pointing to the wrong area of the audience?

In short, let's just go with the evidence of what you have in front of you. Should anyone in that room have left there feeling, as you did, that they'd found The One? You purport to know a great deal about psychic shams and cold reading. Where would you rank that performance?

> Blatant and Failed Attempt at Cold Reading?
> Oh, yeah! Well he got something right, didn't he?
> The negative energies in the room interfered with his psychic ability?
> He had an off day?
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If I only saw the part where his back was turned, I would think JE was just as off as when I went to see him and he "falsely" insisted my brother had a Valerie Harper connection, a hard "G " name connection, and someone had a big tooth in his pocket.
Eek...sorry JE but that was pretty abysmal!
But, what I find even more abysmal, in this case, is the fact that I told you watching the REST of the reading was crucial in validating his reading while his back was turned and expanding on it, yet you still think an evaluation of only that piece of the reading should be enough to draw your conclusion...crucify him, crucify him!!
Imagine if I didn't happen to see the whole show when it first aired and so know big validations of the reading with his back turned were made LATER, you guys would be even more incorrectly smug than you are now.
And, I remember saying repeatedly ( in my case) that it wasn't the "ST" sounding name and the 2 stomach procedures etc. stuff that convinced me JE was real...it was the unusual, specific, never could have known or guessed stuff that PROVED to me he was real and at the same time validated the other stuff was NOT just cold reading. In other words, without the new refrigerator, and Valerie Harper connection, and big tooth in the pocket, I too would say JE was just cold reading. But that's not what happened.
And so here I tell you again that you NEED to see the whole show to make a fair analysis. To keep insisting that you don't (especially knowing about the ANCHOR), boggles my mind.
 
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meg said:
One lady directly behind JE, (not left) had someone who died of lung cancer and someone else who died by hanging.
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Going just by your description, that may not be true. He bundled the hanging in with a W name, meaning she might have been nodding for the W but not the hanging.
 
You do understand that it's much harder to cold read with your back to someone than when you're looking at them?

The emphasis on his success rate with his back turned is because if he's genuine it shouldn't make a ha'porth of difference, but if he's mostly cold reading it will. And guess what?
 
Robin1 said:
.. you NEED to see the whole show to make a fair analysis. To keep insisting that you don't, boggles my mind.
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No, we don't need to see the whole show in order to evaluate what happened when he could not use the audience's reactions to continue his cold reading.
He was wrong, wrong, wrong.
How many of his guesses do you think were right while his back was turned?
How many do you think were wrong?
How often did he point in the wrong direction?
How often did he point in the right direction?
But if you insist we need to see the whole show, by all means give us the link.
 
Pixel42 said:
You do understand that it's much harder to cold read with your back to someone than when you're looking at them?

The emphasis on his success rate with his back turned is because if he's genuine it shouldn't make a ha'porth of difference, but if he's mostly cold reading it will. And guess what?
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Pixel, you're right, it is much easier to tell I just bought a new refrigerator, my brother has a Valerie Harper connection, someone has a big tooth in their pocket, (and there is an ANCHOR ) when JE would be facing someone rather than have his back turned. Those facts were indeed written all over our faces.
 
ArmoredDragon said:
Sorry if I'm repeating anything said earlier, but...

I've yet to see any unedited clip of John Edward not playing a game of 20 questions with his mark. I remember laughing when I heard James Randi mention that a guy was crying because he thought John Edward talked to his dead relative, but it was after Edward issued 23 probing statements within only 45 seconds, of which he got only three right:

1. That his dad is dead. (already knew that coming into it)
2. That he's an older man. (again, already knew)
3. That there was a younger man connected with him. (What do you know? He already knew that too.)

So basically Edward just shouted off a bunch of nonsense, and then repeated to the guy what he had already told Edwards, and somehow that proved that he was psychic.

If Edward was for real, has anybody ever asked him why the dead are fond of the game "Charades"?

Sorry OP, but you were conned.
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I agree with you, ArmoredDragon.
The miss rate in all the performances I've seen of JE is very. very high.
Definitely a con, IMO.
 
And PUH-LEASE, none of you cold reading clowns could EVER have come up with what JE did when I went to see him. Never in a million years.
 
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Squeegee Beckenheim said:
Going just by your description, that may not be true. He bundled the hanging in with a W name, meaning she might have been nodding for the W but not the hanging.
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It's much better if you watch the video than you only read what Meg wrote. Watch it , and then of course, consider what Meg wrote.
 
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Robin1 said:
Pixel, you're right, it is much easier to tell I just bought a new refrigerator, my brother has a Valerie Harper connection, someone has a big tooth in their pocket, (and there is an ANCHOR ) when JE would be facing someone rather than have his back turned. Those facts were indeed written all over our faces.
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Why do you do that? Wilfully ignore the point being made and instead of addressing it bring back up a single trivial anecdote which you continue to invest with huge and totally unwarranted signficance?
 
Robin1 said:
And PUH-LEASE, none of you cold reading clowns could EVER have come up with what JE did when I went to see him. Never ever in a million years. NEVER.
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Yes, I could, Just give me a few years and an obscene amount of money.

You seem to neglect this is not Johnny's first rodeo, He has had a lot of time to hone his cold reading skills.

But regardless your already in the mindset to discard any similar cold readings done by people here but also now in the mindset to fervently protect JE's already tarnished rep.

There's a great deal of irony in that.
 
Robin1 said:
Top 10 reasons why JE won't participate in the million dollar challenge:
1) He already did participate in scientific testing and proved his abilities in "The Afterlife Experiments." I read both sides of the debate and in no way, shape or form, do I believe the conclusion drawn from those experiments was successfully discredited. You do. I don't.
2) Even if he did participate in the million dollar challenge and once AGAIN proved his abilities...people would desperately try to explain why it doesn't count. See #1.
3) I'm 100% confident the test and/or results and/or interpretation would be rigged to discount any abilities he would successfully prove.
4) JE is not a circus animal who has to jump through hoops to prove anything.
5) JE doesn't feel he has to prove anything to anyone. You believe, great. You don't believe, great.
6) He has more important things to do.
7) He already participated in testing and PROVED his abilities. Oh wait, I said that already... But it's worth repeating.
8) James Randi is annoying.
9) James Randi is annoying.
10) James Randi is annoying.
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Thanks for the answer - I'm on the other side of the world so it takes me some time to respond.

I'm going to ignore your answers 1, 2, 7-10 (cos I stated in my question that the already "proven" skills had been discredited, and the last few answers are plainly just silly). Which leads me to answer the rest:

"3) I'm 100% confident the test and/or results and/or interpretation would be rigged to discount any abilities he would successfully prove.
4) JE is not a circus animal who has to jump through hoops to prove anything.
5) JE doesn't feel he has to prove anything to anyone. You believe, great. You don't believe, great.
6) He has more important things to do."

You are "100% confident" the testing would be rigged in some way. Why are you so confident that would be the case? Others who've applied (and been tested) have agreed with the test parameters, which don't allow for any rigging on either side (that's kinda the point); why do you think whichever organisation undertook the preliminary testing (because it is NOT Randi) would make an exception in this case?

No, he's not a circus animal - but he puts himself in the public arena, so he's certainly aware that public scrutiny will follow - in fact it's a large part of how he makes money. If YOU had this "gift" wouldn't you want to prove it were real, rather than deal with so much criticism and (supposedly) slander?

Sure, he doesn't feel he has to prove anything. Why would he? He's making a mint!

PS. I have a beautiful bridge for sale in Sydney. For just a $10 down payment I can arrange finance for you and then you can charge people to use your bridge!!

Ownership paers? Why on earth would you need to see THEM?

Look, I'm on your side. I have consulted tarot readers in the past, I've imagined my deceased parents trying to send me messages - but time has shown me that none of it is real. The human mind is amazing at making things work (I only have one eye that works properly, but my brains' figured it out so I have OK depth perception, for example), and as a temporary comfort, belief in psychics etc might be okay and actually helpful. But over time, it's far healthier to deal with loss and move on.
 
Robin1 said:
And PUH-LEASE, none of you cold reading clowns could EVER have come up with what JE did when I went to see him. Never ever in a million years. NEVER.
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That's now but an imperfect recollection that neither you nor anyone in the thread can analyse in any kind of meaningful way.

ETA: And if you cared to know the truth then you would watch the interview with Brown on cold reading. But you are not interested in examining the question of whether Edward is really doing what he says he is. You would rather deflect and posture in a hollow defence of your cherished belief.
 
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Sideroxylon said:
That's now but an imperfect recollection that neither you nor anyone in the thread can analyse in any kind of meaningful way.

ETA: And if you cared to know the truth then you would watch the interview with Brown on cold reading. But you are not interested in examining the question of whether Edward is really doing what he says he is. You would rather deflect and posture in a hollow defence of your cherished belief.
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No, I do plan on watching it. And thank you for posting it.
 
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Robin1 said:
And PUH-LEASE, none of you cold reading clowns could EVER have come up with what JE did when I went to see him. Never in a million years.
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Don't forget your favorite cold reader has lots and lots of practice at it. Kinda odd that he isn't better at it than he is though.

In the end, the cold reading Edward does is a carny gimmick from which he's managed a very good living; if he truly had some sort of psychic gift, he'd have proved it by now and skeptics like myself would be believers like yourself. Everything we understand about reality would change, and scientists would be lined up to try and understand this discovery. I think that if you gave it more than a passing moment of critical thought, you'd perceive why this hasn't happened.
 
Robin1 said:
I beg to differ, I don't think JE has been thoroughly discredited on this forum...at all. Thoroughly crucified perhaps, but not thoroughly discredited.
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He's good at cold reading, it's true, but it's not hard to spot if you are looking for it. I'm sure there is a little hot reading mixed in anyway, there are many ways information can be obtained about the marks. His act is designed to fool people who really want to Believe, there is no shortage of those.
 
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