Continuation: Discussion of the George Zimmerman case

[Unabogie]

AFAIK, immunity can be filed for at any time, and more than once. Here is an example of immunity filed for and granted post-trial

http://jaablog.jaablaw.com/files/34726-32374/JarkasOrder1.pdf

So, afaik, there is no necessity in filing for immunity prior to the trial, nor necessarily any benefit. And I don't find anywhere that MOM or GZ has waived his right to file.

In your case, the defendant was acquitted. If George is a acquitted then I see no problem with him seeking immunity from a civil suit. But when he's convicted? First of all, do you really see Judge Nelson letting him go AFTER he's convicted of murder in her court? That's not remotely possible and it would be a travesty. Second of all, do you think that's why he's not doing this now, so he can do it after his conviction? If so, I don't think that's very wise.

 

[Dancing David]

An A+ in Violent Murderer class would do it.

Only if it was Honors or Advanced Placement!

 

[Cylinder]

So it's smeared blood because... you say it is?

No - I'm just saying a rational person would entertain that likehood. To be fair, that's doesn't seem to be the operational standard here.

 

[johnny karate]

No - I'm just saying a rational person would entertain that likehood. To be fair, that's doesn't seem to be the operational standard here.

Well, if we're entertaining likelihoods as opposed to making unsubstantiated assertions, we might have something to discuss.

Namely, that Zimmerman claimed Martin "covered my mouth and nose and stopped my breathing". As Rare Truth correctly pointed out, it would take quite a bit of force to do that to a struggling man.

When we look at that photo, we see some blood caked under his nose, somehow remaining undisturbed from having Martin's hands forcefully placed right where it's located.

Instead, the best that can be mustered is a smudge in the corner of his mouth.

Please explain how Martin was able to place his hands over Zimmerman's mouth and nose with enough force to stop his breathing, but not disturb any of the blood coming out of his nose and onto his mouth.

 

[Unabogie]

Well, if we're entertaining likelihoods as opposed to making unsubstantiated assertions, we might have something to discuss.

Namely, that Zimmerman claimed Martin "covered my mouth and nose and stopped my breathing". As Rare Truth correctly pointed out, it would take quite a bit of force to do that to a struggling man.

When we look at that photo, we see some blood caked under his nose, somehow remaining undisturbed from having Martin's hands forcefully placed right where it's located.

Instead, the best that can be mustered is a smudge in the corner of his mouth.

Please explain how Martin was able to place his hands over Zimmerman's mouth and nose with enough force to stop his breathing, but not disturb any of the blood coming out of his nose and onto his mouth.

While not getting a single molecule under his nails and on his sleeves (we'll leave out the "hands" for the sake of argument). Also, while this was going on, wouldn't George have been gripping his hands around Trayvon's hands? If so, why no wounds on Trayvon's hands? Why no blood from George's hands onto Trayvon's sleeves?

A rational person might entertain the thought that whatever blood there was, it wasn't there during whatever fight happened, or the fight didn't happen as the defendant claims it did.

 

[Cylinder]

Please explain how Martin was able to place his hands over Zimmerman's mouth and nose with enough force to stop his breathing, but not disturb any of the blood coming out of his nose and onto his mouth.

Because Martin was dead and ~100 feet away when the blood was deposited?

 

[TheL8Elvis]

In your case, the defendant was acquitted.
If George is a acquitted then I see no problem with him seeking immunity from a civil suit. But when he's convicted?

I think if he is convicted, a civil suit may be the least of his concerns.

There was much talk of GZ waiving his rights to immunity, being foolish, etc.

I have looked into the immunity issue further, and from my non-lawyer POV, I don't see that MOM is taking a chance re:combining the hearing, or in any way giving up GZ chance to become immune from civil suits, as has been claimed here.

First of all, do you really see Judge Nelson letting him go AFTER he's convicted of murder in her court? That's not remotely possible and it would be a travesty. Second of all, do you think that's why he's not doing this now, so he can do it after his conviction? If so, I don't think that's very wise.

I think you mean if GZ is convicted ?

And I've already stated that it is arguably a better legal strategy to wait.

 

[WildCat]

Page 11: FBI Civil Rights Investigation

In July of 2005, Fannin, Lent, Gilmore, Fleischman, and their Capt. George Garzone, performed an undercover operation at a bar near the university of Florida known as Knight's Library. During the operation, an underage undercover operator went into the bar, attempted to purchase, and was sold alcoholic beverages. As a result, multiple bar employees were removed from the establishment and placed under arrest.

While the state law enforcement officers were processing the prisoners, GEORGE ZIMMERMAN approached one of the prisoners and asked the prisoner what was going on. Fleichman informed GEORGE ZIMMERMAN he was a state law enforcement agent, showed GEORGE ZIMMERMAN his badge, and told him to wait off to the side and Fliechman would explain to him what was going on after the agents were finished with the prisoners.

GEORGE ZIMMERMAN had an angry demeanor, and told Flicheman he did not care who he was. Fleichman attempted to escort GEORGE ZIMMERMAN away from the scene. GEORGE ZIMMERMAN then violently shoved Fleicherman, at which point all of the agents working together pushed GEORGE ZIMMERMAN onto the hood of Fannin's car and placed him under arrest for SAVAGE BATTERY upon a poor innocent guy just trying to do his job law enforcement officer.
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I hilited the words that don't appear on that report, Rare Truth inserted them.

Because just like 9/11 truthers Trayvon truthers often lie and embellish to sell their agenda.

 

[johnny karate]

Because Martin was dead and ~100 feet away when the blood was deposited?

So your theory is that Zimmerman's broken nose didn't start bleeding until after he killed Martin?

 

[JohnnyG]

Please explain how Martin was able to place his hands over Zimmerman's mouth and nose with enough force to stop his breathing, but not disturb any of the blood coming out of his nose and onto his mouth.

When lying on your back nosebleeds typically bleed down your throat. Only when you are upright do they bleed out the nostrils. The blood on GZ's face is likely from after the incident when he got up.

 

[Cylinder]

So your theory is that Zimmerman's broken nose didn't start bleeding until after he killed Martin?

No.

 

[johnny karate]

And I've already stated that it is arguably a better legal strategy to wait.

Without bothering to explain exactly why.

 

[johnny karate]

When lying on your back nosebleeds typically bleed down your throat. Only when you are upright do they bleed out the nostrils. The blood on GZ's face is likely from after the incident when he got up.

And if you're lying on your back while blood flows down your throat, and you're screaming for help, where is that blood likely to go?

 

[johnny karate]

No.

Then what is your theory?

 

[johnny karate]

I hilited the words that don't appear on that report, Rare Truth inserted them.

Because just like 9/11 truthers Trayvon truthers often lie and embellish to sell their agenda.

From a post made over 12 hours ago:

Those last few words in bold are there to see who would actually go to the documentation to check it out. (they were obviously quite subjective. Did you get it?)

;0

But everything else is there.

As usual WildCat, you set the gold standard in your ability to keep up with both the facts of the case and what's going on in this thread.

 

[JohnnyG]

And if you're lying on your back while blood flows down your throat, and you're screaming for help, where is that blood likely to go?

It depends on the severity. GZ didn't look to have bleed too much so I doubt it would have been spraying out.

 

[johnny karate]

It depends on the severity. GZ didn't look to have bleed too much so I doubt it would have been spraying out.

Just so we're clear: It is your opinion that a person with a broken nose lying on their back screaming would most likely not exhibit any external signs of bleeding?

 

[WildCat]

From a post made over 12 hours ago:


As usual WildCat, you set the gold standard in your ability to keep up with both the facts of the case and what's going on in this thread.

The whole damn thing was in bold, he made no attempt to distinguish his lies and embellishments from the actual text.

 

[TheL8Elvis]

The whole damn thing was in bold, he made no attempt to distinguish his lies and embellishments from the actual text.

Yes, apparently deliberately lying in your post is the real gold standard, or something.

 

[johnny karate]

The whole damn thing was in bold, he made no attempt to distinguish his lies and embellishments from the actual text.

No, you're right. He didn't explicitly detail what was an embellishment. But he did acknowledgment those embellishments and explained why he put them in there without any provocation from anyone else.

And this all happened 12 hours before you dazzled us all with your show-stopping GOTCHA moment.

Again, kudos to you for being on the very cutting edge of unfolding events.