If OBL was really responsible

[jaydeehess]

How do you know he wasn't also lying when he said he would attack the US in the interview?

Well then that would be very stupid would it not? If he was bluffing in the interview then its a lie that came to bite him in the *** when it comes to blame being laid for a large scale and dramatic attack on the United States.

Getting angry at someone in a bar and shouting "I'll kill him!" is gonna look bad if 'him' is found dead later isn't it? Especially if at that time the suspect denies it only to give a TV interview three months later proudly proclaiming responsibility.

Basically, as mentioned above, he was wary of how the Taliban, his hosts, would react, but later probably was more assured that they would not take action against him and owned up.

 

[Sam.I.Am]

Brought to you by someone who probably thinks "If I Did It" by OJ Simpson was a work of fiction...

 

[jaydeehess]

Brought to you by someone who probably thinks "If I Did It" by OJ Simpson was a work of fiction...

BINGO

...btw, Sam, what is the missile in your avatar supposed to be doing?

 

[TJM]

BINGO

...btw, Sam, what is the missile in your avatar supposed to be doing?

Dying spectacularly.

 

[Puppycow]

If OBL was really responsible for 9/11, then why did he issue the following statement to Al Jazeera on 9/17/01?



Why would someone commit a crime, deny any responsibility less than a week later, then 3 months later release a video saying that he was behind the crime? This just doesn't make sense to me.

I think that this was answered quite well by Jack by the hedge, but just to expand on his answer a little bit:

At the time, the US was demanding that the Taliban hand over OBL to stand trial. The position of the Taliban was that there wasn't enough evidence that he was responsible to justify handing him over. If he had confessed to it, that would have undermined the position of the Taliban. Once the US invaded later and OBL ran away so that he was no longer a guest of the Taliban and the Taliban was in no position to hand him over, the previous reason for denying it no longer existed.

 

[marplots]

BINGO

...btw, Sam, what is the missile in your avatar supposed to be doing?

I think it's trying to land on a mini black hole.

 

[JohnG]

How do you know he wasn't also lying when he said he would attack the US in the interview?

I don't know, but as I already said he was clearly a liar one way or the other, which is why it is important to consider all the evidence.

 

[Cinnamon Life]

What I'm curious about is why the Taliban didn't hand over Bin Laden, and basically thumbed its nose at the US after the US demanded they hand over Bin Laden immediately after 911. Were they just stupid and too proud?

 

[Dash80]

If OBL was really responsible for 9/11, then why did he issue the following statement to Al Jazeera on 9/17/01?



Why would someone commit a crime, deny any responsibility less than a week later, then 3 months later release a video saying that he was behind the crime? This just doesn't make sense to me.

You don't think criminals lie?

If a murderer initially denies shooting someone does this make him innocent?

 

[thedopefishlives]

What I'm curious about is why the Taliban didn't hand over Bin Laden, and basically thumbed its nose at the US after the US demanded they hand over Bin Laden immediately after 911. Were they just stupid and too proud?

I don't know if the reasons are clearly known, but the Taliban were a corrupt regime and bin Laden was a reasonably well-off Saudi. He could've either bought his sanctuary, or the Taliban could've just given the US the finger on principle, considering that we did kinda shaft them in the aftermath of the Soviet invasion. I'm sure there are other possibilities, so don't take this as a dichotomy, but those are two that sprung to mind immediately.

 

[Natan]

Why would someone commit a crime, deny any responsibility less than a week later, then 3 months later release a video saying that he was behind the crime? This just doesn't make sense to me.

It was not exactly OBL that released that video, wasn't it? It was "found" in Afghanistan.

Translation: My hosts the Taliban have realised that I have probably called down an almighty **** storm on their heads. They are not happy. Maybe if I say I didn't do it the Americans will leave us alone.

The same Taliban that said "prove it first"? Ofcourse the US didn't want even if it could, which it couldn't, so we know how the Taliban ended up.

KSM planned the attacks
Atta exercised the operation

Perhaps he is just right?

Something more like this is likely. Notice that KSM's trial is kept far away from the public. One possible reason is that KSM was behind it out of Pakistan and Osama Bin Laden in Afghanistan had nothing to do with it other than being a figure which the other guys looked up to. It's easier to attack a country without nukes than one that has.

If Osama Bin Laden was innocent, then why didn't he deny responsibility in this interview with Tayseer Allouni?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DDDJU-Iqwas

...but I suspect most truthers would say, "Oh, this video is fake!"

Noticed the jump between 0:39 and 0:40? There is a reason that Tayseer Allouni spent several years innocent in a Spanish jail. The reason was he knows what OBL said between 0:39 and 0:40.

 

[Myron Proudfoot]

BINGO

...btw, Sam, what is the missile in your avatar supposed to be doing?

It's a happy missile doing the happy missile dance!

 

[beachnut]

It was not exactly OBL that released that video, wasn't it? It was "found" in Afghanistan.

UBL promised to kill us in the 90s. Not news. How will 911 truth nuts prove the delusion, fake UBL on tape. What a bunch of loons, they have failed to prove anything. When will 911 truth do anything? 11 more years? lol

The same Taliban that said "prove it first"? Ofcourse the US didn't want even if it could, which it couldn't, so we know how the Taliban ended up.

The Taliban, the book burning, film burning nuts? The no education for girls guys? They would not send UBL right over. Are the Taliban your heroes?
Taliban say, Prove it? We already wanted UBL for other terrorists acts. Big fail on the little hitlers of the Taliban, too busy burning books to stop and act rational. Why do you apologize for the Taliban? Did you like the Taliban?

Something more like this is likely. Notice that KSM's trial is kept far away from the public. One possible reason is that KSM was behind it out of Pakistan and Osama Bin Laden in Afghanistan had nothing to do with it other than being a figure which the other guys looked up to. It's easier to attack a country without nukes than one that has.

LOL, Nukes? Who will they shoot? We are out of range. Good one.

Wait, wait for it. Oops, we invaded Pakistan and killed UBL. A quick one night invasion of a few guys. Did you miss it.

Noticed the jump between 0:39 and 0:40? There is a reason that Tayseer Allouni spent several years innocent in a Spanish jail. The reason was he knows what OBL said between 0:39 and 0:40.

He claims to be innocent, but his problem was he was in Spain. With all the nuts in world making up stuff like 911 truth does, it would not a be too far out to have Spain think he was up to something. When did you prove he was innocent? Did he tell the US where UBL was after 911?

He was under house arrest for most of his term, after he had medical problems - like UBL, except UBL was under self-house arrest, hiding from the sleeping tiger he woke up by sending 19 nuts to the take the battle to the heart of America; oops he missed, they never got to Oklahoma, or Nebraska. Boy UBL and his nuts are as bad as 911 truth.

You have proof he never gave money to terrorists? Where were you when he needed you?

However, claiming he was in prison because he knows what was in a missing section :39 to :40, is fantasy.

 

[George 152]

It appears to me the answer is in the question:

"I have been living in the Islamic emirate of Afghanistan and following its leaders' rules. The current leader does not allow me to exercise such operations".

Translation: My hosts the Taliban have realised that I have probably called down an almighty **** storm on their heads. They are not happy. Maybe if I say I didn't do it the Americans will leave us alone.

Pretty much my thoughts

 

[jaydeehess]

Dying spectacularly.

good answer, I had actually assumed something along that, basically an 'oops'

my take would be that it is a nonlethal antiaircraft missle designed to scare the bejesus or other bodily contents out of an attacker, causing him to return from whence he came.

 

[Dr. Keith]

I don't know if the reasons are clearly known, but the Taliban were a corrupt regime and bin Laden was a reasonably well-off Saudi. He could've either bought his sanctuary, or the Taliban could've just given the US the finger on principle, considering that we did kinda shaft them in the aftermath of the Soviet invasion. I'm sure there are other possibilities, so don't take this as a dichotomy, but those are two that sprung to mind immediately.

There is also a strong tradition of not turning out your guests in the Abrahamic religions and the tribal regions. I think the Bible says you are supposed to offer up your daughter for rape before you offer up your guest. I wonder if the Koran includes those bits, or something similar.

 

[jaydeehess]

There is also a strong tradition of not turning out your guests in the Abrahamic religions and the tribal regions. I think the Bible says you are supposed to offer up your daughter for rape before you offer up your guest. I wonder if the Koran includes those bits, or something similar.

if nasty Sodomites are trying to attack your guests, yes, it is acceptable to disuade them by offering your daughter to be raped instead

must have made more sense 5-7000 years ago

 

[Baah]

Any reasonably well-informed adult living in the late 90s/early 2000s was already well aware that OBL was an extremely dangerous man.


If that is the case, one would expect CIA and NSA to even more and prevent OBL to execute the attacks!

 

[Natan]

UBL promised to kill us in the 90s. Not news.

That means he did it or that he's a usual suspect?

The Taliban, the book burning, film burning nuts? The no education for girls guys? They would not send UBL right over. Are the Taliban your heroes?
Taliban say, Prove it? We already wanted UBL for other terrorists acts. Big fail on the little hitlers of the Taliban, too busy burning books to stop and act rational. Why do you apologize for the Taliban? Did you like the Taliban?

Not like. Love.

LOL, Nukes? Who will they shoot? We are out of range. Good one.

Wait, wait for it. Oops, we invaded Pakistan and killed UBL. A quick one night invasion of a few guys. Did you miss it.

He claims to be innocent, but his problem was he was in Spain.

O my God. A muslim in Spain? He must have been connected with terrorism!

With all the nuts in world making up stuff like 911 truth does, it would not a be too far out to have Spain think he was up to something. When did you prove he was innocent?

So why did Spain release him if he was guilty? Read anything about his case?

However, claiming he was in prison because he knows what was in a missing section :39 to :40, is fantasy.

Keep in mind that interview was under US pressure never aired on Al Jazeera and was only released more than five years later and even now it is clearly redacted. What seems to have been between 0:39 and 0:40 is something like this:

We never heard in our lives a court decision to convict someone based on a "secret" proof it has. The logical thing to do is to present a proof to a court of law. What many leaders have said so far is that America has an indication only, and not a tangible proof.
http://articles.cnn.com/2002-02-05/...nt-fatwas-al-qaeda-organization?_s=PM:asiapcf​

 

[beachnut]

That means he did it or that he's a usual suspect?

UBL, do something, like physically do something? LOL, 19 nuts fooled by a spoil Saudi did 911. Like the Charlie Manson for Islamic nuts, UBL does not do the murders, he fools nuts into doing them for him. But feel free to make up some cool sounding stuff like UBL worked for the CIA, or other crazy claims based on nothing but BS.

The only thing UBL did, hide like the coward he was. Why did he fail to fight at the World Court? He was hiding, and he was behind lots of terrorists attacks.

Not like. Love.

That is Taliban?

LOL, Nukes? Who will they shoot? We are out of range. Good one.

Yes, they would fall in Siberia. No wonder we got UBL in Pakistan without telling them, we were afraid of their nukes. Good one.

Wait, wait for it. Oops, we invaded Pakistan and killed UBL. A quick one night invasion of a few guys. Did you miss it.

You missed it?

O my God. A muslim in Spain? He must have been connected with terrorism!

No, Spain, right after they were attacked by nuts. Wrong place to be after you traveled with lots of money to visit terrorists for years, earlier. Why did he fail to defend himself?
Over a million Muslims in Spain, 2.3 percent of the country. I did not say Muslims are terrorists. Did the guy ever visit terrorists?

So why did Spain release him if he was guilty? Read anything about his case?

He finished his sentence? lol, I love easy questions. Did you read anything about this case?

Keep in mind that interview was under US pressure never aired on Al Jazeera and was only released more than five years later and even now it is clearly redacted. What seems to have been between 0:39 and 0:40 is something like this:

Clearly redacted, but you have it? lol, since 2002. Really?

We never heard in our lives a court decision to convict someone based on a "secret" proof it has. The logical thing to do is to present a proof to a court of law. What many leaders have said so far is that America has an indication only, and not a tangible proof.
http://articles.cnn.com/2002-02-05/...nt-fatwas-al-qaeda-organization?_s=PM:asiapcf

Thought you said this was redacted? ULB says a lot of stupid stuff.

No tangible proof? 4 planes taken, no proof? 19 nuts who had to sign up to fly, identified quickly because they flew. lol, no proof?

??? 2002... lol, more
Wow, UBL nonsense, means nothing. UBL was already wanted, if the Taliban loves to quibble about sending UBL and other terrorists in camps to the US, it was their mistake.