NY Proposal to Screw Gun Owner's a Little Bit Further

[Polaris]

Having been told to my face that it was OK for me to own a gun, but those other people...

And when it was explained to me by the individual in question that those other people meant the people south of market, you know, the cholos, I'm not convinced that class and race doesn't still play a part in proposed firearms restrictions.

For the uninitiated, there was a time in the US when the NRA was all in favor of gun control...if it meant fewer guns in the hands of negroes:

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...gun-fight-author-on-gun-control-s-racism.html

 

[fuelair]

That's why we have to have a poll tax, to keep irresponsible (poor) people from voting.

Sounds equal to me........

 

[Ziggurat]

I have, but you still have to pay for the usage of the Internet.

No you don't. It's available for free at many public libraries. Even Starbucks offers free internet access. It's not the internet that you need to pay for.

 

[Mudcat]

No you don't. It's available for free at many public libraries. Even Starbucks offers free internet access. It's not the internet that you need to pay for.

I strongly suspect most people don't live at or near a public library or a restaurant with free wifi. Besides, I pay a little over $50 a month for high speed Internet... That's hardly expensive.

 

[Ziggurat]

I strongly suspect most people don't live at or near a public library or a restaurant with free wifi.

So what? That it's free doesn't mean it's convenient. But it's still free.

Besides, I pay a little over $50 a month for high speed Internet... That's hardly expensive.

You are paying for convenience, not for the internet itself.

 

[fuelair]

I'm sorry, are you saying that every dumpster in Chicago is paying $5,900 a year in insurance and nobody else has offered such policies?

If so I may need to open a new business in Chicago . . .

To open an insurance company/do business in a state requires state approval/liscensing iirc. See the problem

 

[Mudcat]

So what? That it's free doesn't mean it's convenient. But it's still free.

I consider it rude to go somewhere just for the free wifi, so I'd feel uncomfortable doing it. But that's neither here nor there.

Where were we? Oh yeah, the gun insurance. Wouldn't that only cover functioning guns as opposed to those that don't?

Still not seeing the objection, will they forcibly take your gun if its uninsured?

If not, than I wonder about the practicality of such a law.

 

[BenBurch]

All of my Rights have costs and a price.

That is what taxes are.

 

[Mudcat]

All of my Rights have costs and a price.

That is what taxes are.

In other news, freedom is not free.

 

[Stacko]

Why is this a 3rd party claim? She was directly effected by the policy holder, so even the driver's liability coverage should have been paying the full boat.
Something is missing here...if this is true, she should have hired an injury attorney.

Because that's how insurance contracts work. The first party is the insured, the second party is the insurer and the third party is anyone else who is claiming against the policy. It looks like the insured purchased an auto policy with $15,000 third party liability limit (which is frighteningly low for what I assume is minimum coverage; the provincial minimum where I live is $500,000) and once that limit was exhausted any further payments would have to come from the insured as the insurer has fulfilled their obligation.

 

[Nessie]

That doesn't demonstrate your claim. Criminals get angry too, you know. But it's still mostly criminals who are doing the murders.

Yes, I'll rephrase, angry people kill more people than are killed during the commission of a crime.

The overlap between criminals and being angry and committing crime will be greater than law abiding people being angry and committing crime.

 

[Ziggurat]

Yes, I'll rephrase, angry people kill more people than are killed during the commission of a crime.

And what relevance does that have to gun control? These murders are still not the spontaneous acts of normal people who happened to be near a gun when they got angry.

 

[Dr. Keith]

Having been told to my face that it was OK for me to own a gun, but those other people...

And when it was explained to me by the individual in question that those other people meant the people south of market, you know, the cholos, I'm not convinced that class and race doesn't still play a part in proposed firearms restrictions.

I think that will be a serious concern if/when gun control measures are implemented.

In Texas we have a proposal that anyone seeking government aid must be drug tested. The thinking being that if you want the state to support you you need to show you are clean. Oddly, it does not apply to those attending our state funded universities. Not even those on scholarships.

 

[Monketi Ghost]

All of my Rights have costs and a price.

That is what taxes are.

Can you lay out for me how my right to free speech is taxed? I don't think your first statement is wrong, but I don't think the second follows from it.

 

[Nessie]

And what relevance does that have to gun control? These murders are still not the spontaneous acts of normal people who happened to be near a gun when they got angry.

Considering the sheer number of shooting incidents being linked to, referenced or the subject of entire threads, people getting angry/disputes/confrontations and going for their gun is an issue. He was a law abiding gun owner till

- some youths played loud music in the SUV
- a car turned into his driveway
- a man was knocking at his door in the early hours of the morning
- a youth walked towards him
- someone crashed into his car killing his kids
- kids had been banging on his door and running off
- tenants parking in the wrong place

 

[BenBurch]

Can you lay out for me how my right to free speech is taxed? I don't think your first statement is wrong, but I don't think the second follows from it.

There is no such thing as a "Natural" Right.

Rights only exist because of the ability to enforce them.

That ability exists only because there are courts and law enforcement to carry out the orders of those courts.

Without taxes, we have no courts or law enforcement, and hence no Rights in any practical meaning of the term.

 

[Ziggurat]

Considering the sheer number of shooting incidents being linked to, referenced or the subject of entire threads, people getting angry/disputes/confrontations and going for their gun is an issue.

Argument by internet forum anecdote?

Thanks but no thanks.

 

[Sabretooth]

There is no such thing as a "Natural" Right.

Rights only exist because of the ability to enforce them.

That ability exists only because there are courts and law enforcement to carry out the orders of those courts.

Without taxes, we have no courts or law enforcement, and hence no Rights in any practical meaning of the term.

So a homeless man with no income does not benefit from the BOR because he cannot pay taxes?

 

[monty1]

I am saying the insurance should be compulsory as car insurance is. No insurance here means 6 points, half way to a years ban from driving. I have been arguing for a permit system for guns, so gun owners could pick up points that leads them to a ban from having a gun.





Try getting insured after you have shot a Japanese exchange student dressed as John Travolta, or left your gun in the car and it was stolen. Faced with becoming an expensive risk I think would help concentrate the minds of gun owners on their responsibilities.



That happens in all circumstances.

Now you're getting it Nessie! This is such a winner as a solution that it's driving the gungoons crazy with fear. And the good guys in the land of the gun are slow to pick up on the obvious benefits.

The bad guys don't really have any real objections but they are stubborn and hateful enough to oppose anything that will reduce the number of shootings.

 

[Monketi Ghost]

There is no such thing as a "Natural" Right.

Rights only exist because of the ability to enforce them.

That ability exists only because there are courts and law enforcement to carry out the orders of those courts.

Without taxes, we have no courts or law enforcement, and hence no Rights in any practical meaning of the term.

I hold some truths to be self evident, that I'm endowed with certain unalienable rights. I don't agree with you.