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And just as a reminder OS, Melbas paper was sumarily dismissed by Nature, on several occasions. Not returned for Edits, but out and out rejected!

That sounds like it could be true, but remember it's from Robert Lindsay. I remember the specific blog post, he's also said that it's been with another American journal for over a year now.
 
actually OS, RL came to the party late and just reported 3rd hand. unfortunately for Melba, the original sources of that particular information are rock solid professionals. just because you do not want it to be true, does not make it false.
Sometime, at somepoint, melba needs to be, and will be, held accountable! trying to hide her incompetance behind a fabricated venier of suppsoed need for professional secrecy, thats harry highschool crap! put up or shut up Melba, thats the way scientists do it. And who in the heck anoited Melba a SCIENTIST? BECAUSE SHE NOW SELF IDENTIFIES AS "SCIENTIST"
That sounds like it could be true, but remember it's from Robert Lindsay. I remember the specific blog post, he's also said that it's been with another American journal for over a year now.
 
actually OS, RL came to the party late and just reported 3rd hand. unfortunately for Melba, the original sources of that particular information are rock solid professionals. just because you do not want it to be true, does not make it false.
Sometime, at somepoint, melba needs to be, and will be, held accountable! trying to hide her incompetance behind a fabricated venier of suppsoed need for professional secrecy, thats harry highschool crap! put up or shut up Melba, thats the way scientists do it. And who in the heck anoited Melba a SCIENTIST? BECAUSE SHE NOW SELF IDENTIFIES AS "SCIENTIST"

If one can believe there are 9 ft tall, 600 lb bipedal apes cavorting about on ten acre exurban hobby farms, eating blueberry bagels and flapjacks, one could buy Melba Ketchum as a scientist.
 
Bryan Sykes has received quite a few promising samples. I know this because I know the Olympic Project & TBRC have submitted samples and Meldrum screened the samples before sending them off. Sykes is guaranteed to have legit hair samples.


Aye, I agree... those samples will be legit hairs, no question... They just won't be hairs from a Bigfoot.
 
OS,
I realize you are committed to certain ideas about Dr. Ketchum and bigfoot. But the two are not necessarily inseparable.

Scientists including Dr. Disotell searched databases and looked around where she has worked and have not found any evidence that she has any record of having ever planned or been responsible for or executed a scientific study or written up a scientific study. Do you have any evidence that she has any such track record?

Instead, her record seems to littered with unsavory financial/contractual issues in which it seems she has failed to deliver what she said she would, and then apparently "walked away", leaving others holding the bag.

Do you agree?

Do you think she has changed her spots at this point in her life? What would lead to believe she has? Do you think she has learned to plan and execute a scientific study, not to mention how to write it up? How would she have done that? do you think there is a book called "Doing scientific studies in mid-life for those who have never done them?" do you think she is acting like a scientist, with the NDAs and secrecy and divine causation and press releases and convincing TV pitchman-type interviews, making herself into a public figure? Who does she associate with (not who she says she associates with)?

do you think she is now behaving responsibly in her interactions with others, as evidenced by what she did to Richard Stubstad and Alex Evans? what evidence do you have that she is? what statements has she made that you KNOW to be true? Do you think that pleas for protection for bigfoot might be designed to win your confidence?

My point is this. Science is about ability, training, objectivity and integrity. Most good scientists would not make very good conmen. They tend to be hesitant about making claims, and frank about the limitations of their findings.

A personal note:
Have you ever been conned? I have, several times, thankfully for only a few dollars. But conmen only succeed because they are convincing. They do appear confident, in themselves and in their products and their stories. They play on people's decency and faith and needs. If they weren't good at that in their personal, verbal contacts, they wouldn't be conmen. That is how they make people believe. That is how they get people to give them money/things, and get away with it.

Some people believe in bigfoot because of some experience they have had. Can't argue too much with that. But those who make their living selling you smoke and mirrors to support your belief in bigfoot... well, you need to look at them more closely. You need to think about where the conspiracy really is. Follow the money.

jmho.
 
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Primer on DNA

Harry, RRS and whoever else is interested. i have tried in the past to put together a DNA primer, but it gets out of hand in a hurry, there are all sorts of ways to use DNA.
1. species Identification: for species ID we typically use the mtDNA. mtDNA has several advantages to the researcher, it is more plentiful in a sample, it is easy to isolate, it is a small piece of DNA, and it contains specific genes that have been proven to be unique to each species - We have a number of very large databases of the sequences from mtDNA (BOLD, GenBank for example, hundreds of millions of seqences, hundreds of thousands of species IDed)
Do we have sequence for every species on the planet - nope, we think there are somewhere in the vicinity of 10 million species here on earth, but for mammals, birds, large stuff, and or species of economic or medical interest, we have lots of sequences from lots of individuals of each species. CO1 is the gene we usually use, it is present in every species, but each species has a different form of that gene.

The workflow is pretty simple for species ID, get mtDNA, make millions of copies of it, get a sequence using those copies, compare the sequence of a specific gene CO1 usually, to those in the databases, using powerfull software.

Your results will either say "yup you found Upupa epops" (my favorite scientific name of all time), or it will say - "listen Fred, I can't find an exact match here in my database. I can tell you that it is very similar to species X and Y with XX% divergence from each one"

2. Individual Identification: identifying a specific individual takes a different process. The most common, certainly for humans, but also applicable in other cases, is the use of Short Tandom Repeat STR's. essentially you need to use nuclear DNA for this, which resides inside the nucleus of the cell, and there is only one copy per cell (mitochondrial is outside the nucleus, and you may have a couple of thousand copies per cell).

so scattered throughout you nDNA are regions of your genome that simply repeat a certain pattern of bases. It may repeat that pattern 2 times, or 3 times, or 4 or whatever. Whats interesting about that is everyone has those repeats at the same locations of their genomes, but the number of repeats at each site varies, so site one - you may have 3 repeats of CAA for example, while your neighbor may have 6 repeats of CAA at that site. In location 2 you may have 2 repeats of GCA, while your neighbor would have 3.

So you chose a number of specific sites, and simply quantify how many repeats at each site. From there it is a simple math game. The FBI has standardized 13 sites they use for analysis, and depending on how you do the math, the chances someone has the same number of repeats at the same locations as you is slim - 1 in a billion, or 1 in a trillion, depending on how you chose to do the math and explain it.

So to get individual ID, you of course need either a reference, known sample, or get 2 unknown samples to match up. while this method is great for individual ID, it has no value in species ID, (at least as far as i know)

3. There is also another methodology - SNP's, or single nucleotide polymorphism. essentially when you compare individuals of the same species, there will be a number of locations where the base can vary, and vary randomly, so you can use those SNP's to Id individuals as well (sometimes) , but by far the most common use of SNP is that it indicates certain genetic mutations that make one suceptable for certain diseases.

4. Finally you have whole genome sequencing. In this case you simply record each and every base pair in your nuclear DNA. That has become much easier cheaper, faster and more accurate with the Next Gen systems. This however comes with it's own set of problems. in a field where you used to fight long and hard to pull a few hundred or thousand accurate bases, you now get burried with 3 billion base pairs. it becomes a gigantic data management issue, and the software to smooth that workload is still being developed.

OK, so thats my attempt at summary of the art. If you would like me to apply that to what we know about Melba, let me know!

CWB
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To generalize, can't DNA testing get all the way down to the individual level of identification no matter the species? And I understand DNA has to be matched against a known quantity to determine exact match, but what about a general match? Isn't the human genome (for example) pretty much exactly the same throughout humankind except for the few genes (relative to the whole) that define the racial makeup and uniqueness of any one individual? That is, say you have two sets of DNA data, one from a human, one from a Capybara (and you don't initially know that), does the fact one is human and one is Capybara become clear/obvious (sooner than later) in the testing, or is there more that has to be done to differentiate them?

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Does anyone have any information on Ed Smith and Bigfoot DNA? ...
Who needs Ed Smith? I have had Bigfoot DNA for years. It comes from by brother, it is not 78% primate/gorilla and almost 3% human content (where is the other 19%?), it is 100% BS.

Is the DNA they have an illusion like Bigfoot? Did they fake the DNA, take it out of the fantasy; has the sample materialized in the real world? What did they fake it with? Is this fake DNA used to support the fantasy, and how do people who claim they have Bigfoot DNA keep a straight face? Are any of these hoaxers rich? Have their heirs had them committed?

Are there photos to go with this hoax?
 
.........Upupa epops" (my favorite scientific name of all time).........

Please, please tell me that it is found on the Kunene River in northern Namibia. At the waterfalls to be precise......... the Epupa Falls.

Failing that, maybe at Popa Falls on the Okavango River, also Namibia, but in the Caprivi this time.

So, is it the Epupa Upupa epops, or the Popa Upupa epops? :D

Edit........I looked it up, and it's a Hoopoe!!!! Brilliant! So it is found all over Namibia! Too cool.........
 
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Melbas poper comes out tommorrow

So she and her press release blueberry feeding yahoo make up a new journal, which they laughingly call a science journal, they get some believer to write up some other fluff article, and supposedly the thing comes out tommorrow - cant wait!
And the BFF site is down, to bad i wanted to watch people explode in ecstacy!
 
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“Novel North American Hominins, Next Generation Sequencing of Three Whole Genomes and Associated Studies.”

Authors: Ketchum MS, Wojtkiewicz PW, Watts AB, Spence DW, Holzenburg AK, Toler DG, Prychitko TM, Zhang F, Bollinger S, Shoulders R, Smith R

Journal of Advanced Multidisciplinary Exploration in Zoology. 11 January 2013.
 
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THREE BIGFOOT GENOMES SEQUENCED IN 5-YEAR DNA STUDY
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