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kellyb said:
My impression is that for the fairly rare subset of people who are sociopathic and successful, they would prefer to have half the money they have as long as none was "stolen" by gov, as opposed to being 3 times more wealthy and having 20% of their income confiscated for universal benefits, or especially programs that alleviate the suffering of those they view as "the weak" (AKA, "the poor".) The best hard evidence I know of to support this is in that eBook The Authoritarians, and I can provide a page # if you've never read it.
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Thanks Kelly, no I agree that many people are not capable of sound moral reasoning.
 
 
 
bedlin88 said:
Matt Dillahunty did :D
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Anyone can take the A+ forum challenge!

1) Close your existing A+ forum account.
2) Open a new account on the A+ forums under a non-descriptive non-oppresive gender-neutral nickname
3) Greet the board in an open and friendly way on the forum for that purpose
4) Post a few generic thoughts on how the regulars are right about social justice on the forum for that purpose
5) After getting a few posts under your belt, dare to disagree with the regulars about something. Do this as politely as you possibly can.
6) When you get dog-piled, apologize and retract.
7) Repeat steps 5 & 6 until someone goes crazy ALL CAPS on your ass, and then politely ask "Why all the hostility?"
8) Sit back and enjoy the lulz.
 
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d4m10n said:
Anyone can take the A+ forum challenge!

1) Close your existing A+ forum account.
2) Open a new account on the A+ forums under a non-descriptive non-oppresive gender-neutral nickname
3) Greet the board in an open and friendly way on the forum for that purpose
4) Post a few generic thoughts on how the regulars are right about social justice on the forum for that purpose
5) After getting a few posts under your belt, dare to disagree with the regulars about something. Do this as politely as you possibly can.
6) When you get dog-piled, apologize and retract.
7) Repeat steps 5 & 6 until someone goes crazy ALL CAPS on your ass, and then politely ask "Why all the hostility?"
8) Sit back and enjoy the lulz.
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Why would any rational person want to waste time doing that?
 
d4m10n said:
"Why all the hostility?"
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Seems like the A+ scene is just dominated by power hungry people and their toadies. Always being correct about everything is a posture to hold on to a leadership position. Challenging a leader's position on anything is a challenge to their status. Fear of losing power is the reason for "all the hostility." The content of the argument is beside the point. It's only about winning at any cost to stay on the throne. "Flatter me or you're banned."

n. pl. toad·ies
A person who flatters or defers to others for self-serving reasons; a sycophant.

syc·o·phant (sk-fnt, sk-)
n.
A servile self-seeker who attempts to win favor by flattering influential people.
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I actually thought about registering there again under a different name and doing just that. For about 10 seconds. Then I asked myself would the lulz be worth the effort, and laughed.

I'll just wait until the dogpile instinct prevails and they begin attacking for even more trivial disagreements. qwints could be next if he ain't careful.

Have you guys seen this video of a guy reading Flewellyn's long reply to wind on the secret forum? Guy was banned there after this 1 post, lol- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fgNH6GT6auo

eta-any of you techies know how hyperdeath could have gotten access to a post made on YT? :confused:
 
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alcorfr said:
People confuse, intentionally or not, the definition of atheism+ with stupid arguments made by certain proclamed adherents of atheism+, notably on the atheismplus forum.

And then claim that atheism+ is anti white-male.

This is fallacious.
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Definitions aren't authoritative when they are merely prescriptive rather than descriptive of actual usage. Find me an A+ community that doesn't repeatedly **** on cis-het-white-males, and I'll buy your argument.
 
A Facebook exchange from earlier tonight:

Person1: You can pre-order Pz Myers' book here. Publication & delivery set for mid-August. Now we need to get him back to DC for a signing.

Person2: I've had it on order for a year:)

Me: I've lost interest since he became an A+ toadie

A+ Numpty: Yeah..cause saying women should be treated equally is just a ****
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These people don't get it. They really. Truly. Don't. Get it.
 
Stout said:
That [dramatic reading of content of the A+ secret forum] was excellent ! :)

Winnnnnnnd......Get in here !
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FWIW, secrecy is about power. As a general rule, the more you know compared to your opponent, the more power you have compared to your opponent. The function of secrecy is to dis-empower your opponent. Telling lies, e.g. denying the existence of a secret forum, doubly so. This is basic game theory. Think of the function of hiding your hand in a card game, or lying about what cards you hold.

If the A+ people mean what they say, that they believe in fairness, then all information should be public* and there should be no secret forum. Its very existence confirms that A+ is about creating and maintaining a privileged power elite. In doing this, they imitate stereotypical masculine bullying: thirst for dominance and destructive competitiveness.

* Personal information, which would give evil people power to harm, excepted.
 
d4m10n said:
Definitions aren't authoritative when they are merely prescriptive rather than descriptive of actual usage. Find me an A+ community that doesn't repeatedly **** on cis-het-white-males, and I'll buy your argument.
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As i don't have the proper number of posts yet, i'm sorry that the links won't be easy clicky :

The atheist experience's blog
freethoughtblogs.com/axp/2012/09/13/atheism-social-interaction-in-atheist-communities-and-elsewhere/
And

Richard carrier's blog
freethoughtblogs.com/carrier/archives/3128/

Those are mainly white males' blogs that openly joined the ideas of atheism+ and nowhere in the comments are people '***********' on cis-het-white-males.

Atheism+ is unnecessary, and contains loosely defined 'religious' concept like social justice, and suffered from the stupid idea that people questionning its core concepts were automatically against it , but it is also straw-maned continuously as you just did.

I am a cis-het-white-male, and don't feel ******* on by the members of atheism+.
Instead, it opened my eyes on different subjects i was not aware of.
 
d4m10n said:
You are using heavily moderated blog threads as evidence? Pffffft.
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You asked for communities, and i gave you two.
Now you are shifting the goal posts, with reference to moderation.

I thought the 'i will buy your argument' was only rhetorical, and it is indeed.

We disagree, no problem.
 
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