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Merged No Planer calls for scientific study / Missiles of 9/11

You were the one questioning others' experience just hours ago.



No. You said they "didn't do the math". They did the math, but it wasn't the math you'd like. Now it's that they didn't "calculate the interaction". Any ambiguity in language is on your part.



Oh, good, so you don't need the experiment after all. So, where's the math you used to determine this? Because you have no excuse now.

I'm willing to admit I might be wrong, hence the need for an empirical test to prove it one way or the other. Anyone here able to admit they might be wrong and willing to put their money where their mouth is by conducting a test to prove it?
 
And yet you believe a wing designed to convert airflow to lift becomes a penetrating missile cabable to slice through dozens of steel box columns if it goes fast enough. This doesn't bode well for the gene pool.

Belief has nothing to do with it. It is a simple matter of physics and engineering. Momentum transferred versus column strength. Just because YOU don't believe it means nothing. The math shows it can, and there is video and eyewitness testimony and remaining debris to show it did. If you are going to prove it DIDN'T happen the way all the evidence shows, then YOU need to provide stronger countering evidence. So far its all talk, and you want to raise a bunch of money to prove your disbelief means something. And who will be managing the money for this sincere effort?
 
I fail to see why anyone is arguing with this guy. Give him your blessing to do his test and he'll be on his way.

Does anyone have a reason why you wouldn't want him to do this? It's not like his views on math and physics are going to have any impact on the world.
 
Belief has nothing to do with it. It is a simple matter of physics and engineering. Momentum transferred versus column strength. Just because YOU don't believe it means nothing. The math shows it can, and there is video and eyewitness testimony and remaining debris to show it did. If you are going to prove it DIDN'T happen the way all the evidence shows, then YOU need to provide stronger countering evidence. So far its all talk, and you want to raise a bunch of money to prove your disbelief means something. And who will be managing the money for this sincere effort?


The math isn't there, otherwise you could point to it.

I explain the funding in the video - learn how the fundraising sites work and get back to me.
 
It's not like his views on math and physics are going to have any impact on the world.

Your first mistake is assuming I'll be doing the math.

Your second is assuming it won't have an impact.
 
I fail to see why anyone is arguing with this guy. Give him your blessing to do his test and he'll be on his way.

Does anyone have a reason why you wouldn't want him to do this? It's not like his views on math and physics are going to have any impact on the world.

Agreed...

Heck...if he gets the money...I will drive down from Colorado to watch the test myself!
 
And yet you believe a wing designed to convert airflow to lift becomes a penetrating missile cabable to slice through dozens of steel box columns if it goes fast enough. This doesn't bode well for the gene pool.

Incredulity, ad hominem. And, yes, I do believe a wing with sufficient velocity and the right type of construction, both of which I believe were present on 9/11, would be able to and did sever the exterior columns of WTC 1 and 2, regardless of what it was originally designed for. I can use an iron as an effective bludgeon, if need be, and screwdrivers and toothbrushes are often used as murder weapons. Also:

xpUBswX.jpg


This probably wasn't in the design specs for that car.

Also, quote-mining now? Are you sure you're not Ergo?

I fail to see why anyone is arguing with this guy. Give him your blessing to do his test and he'll be on his way.

Does anyone have a reason why you wouldn't want him to do this? It's not like his views on math and physics are going to have any impact on the world.
We already said we have no problem with him doing it. We have a problem with him not revealing his math until he does it, however, especially since he now admits he doesn't have any.


Your first mistake is assuming I'll be doing the math.

Your second is assuming it won't have an impact.

I'd like to introduce you to something called a Stundie.


Skipped a grade and graduated early, a couple months after my 16th birthday. Happy?

Are you going to tell me your real name and background now?

No one asked you to give us your name.

The materials in the wing were thinner, less dense and less massive than those used in the building. This is why MIT gave up on crunching the numbers - because math can't prove a lie.

Funny. You dropped the question of pressure and energy all of a sudden, because you know MIT clearly calculated that. MIT clearly said they didn't crunch the numbers because they couldn't simulate it in enough detail.

I'm willing to admit I might be wrong, hence the need for an empirical test to prove it one way or the other. Anyone here able to admit they might be wrong and willing to put their money where their mouth is by conducting a test to prove it?

It can and has been proven one way or another without the test. Using math. Which you refuse to do. Because you can't.

On the other hand, you've effectively admitted your "layman's terms" explanations from earlier weren't because you were dumbing it down for the masses, but because you are unable or unwilling to perform more complex analyses.

Isn't it a wee bit hypocritical to demand others use math to prove their case, but you don't have to?
 
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Your first mistake is assuming I'll be doing the math.

Your second is assuming it won't have an impact.
I didn't make that mistake. The math for your question is already done. The fact you don't understand it goes back to high school.

You don't need our blessing or our feed back. Other than trolling I can't figure out why you came here. :confused:
 
Hey Yankee451
When you simulate the crash will you have the engine running ?
 
Incredulity, ad hominem. And, yes, I do believe a wing with sufficient velocity and the right type of construction, both of which I believe were present on 9/11, would be able to and did sever the exterior columns of WTC 1 and 2, regardless of what it was originally designed for. I can use an iron as an effective bludgeon, if need be, and screwdrivers and toothbrushes are often used as murder weapons. Also:

[qimg]http://i.imgur.com/xpUBswX.jpg[/qimg]

This probably wasn't in the design specs for that car.

Also, quote-mining now? Are you sure you're not Ergo?

You're flailing about now - toothbrushes and screwdrivers? Try to stick to the topic.
 
Skipped a grade and graduated early, a couple months after my 16th birthday. Happy?

Are you going to tell me your real name and background now?

BSCE and MSCE Purdue University
Licensed Professional Engineer (PE)
Licensed Structural Engineer(SE)

Academic All-Big Ten Offensive Tackle at Purdue
Drafted by the Minnesota Vikings in 1976

That should be enough information to figure out my real name...:D
 
BSCE and MSCE Purdue University
Licensed Professional Engineer (PE)
Licensed Structural Engineer(SE)

Academic All-Big Ten Offensive Tackle at Purdue
Drafted by the Minnesota Vikings in 1976

That should be enough information to figure out my real name...:D

Don't pay attention to sports - couldn't care less.
 

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