Merged No Planer calls for scientific study / Missiles of 9/11

[Blaupunkt69]

I haven't read all 23 pages of this thread so my apologies if it was mentioned but I was wondering: There were numerous reports of building sway in WTC1 and 2 following the plane impacts. Some felt as if the building they were in was going to topple over. Affirming this sensation were the reports of doors jamming throughout both towers which made escape difficult or unfortunate for some, impossible. How do these reports factor into the theories of No Planers?

 

[Redwood]

I haven't read all 23 pages of this thread so my apologies if it was mentioned but I was wondering: There were numerous reports of building sway in WTC1 and 2 following the plane impacts. Some felt as if the building they were in was going to topple over. Affirming this sensation were the reports of doors jamming throughout both towers which made escape difficult or unfortunate for some, impossible. How do these reports factor into the theories of No Planers?

Many survivors from the Twin Towers mention this. Obviously, they are part of the conspiracy, paid or intimidated into lying.

Or perhaps it was from David Chandler's nanothermite rockets firing prematurely! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xvw0_i1rGns)

 

[beachnut]

Anti-war, good. 911 truth, is anti-intellectual claptrap, bad.

http://911crashtest.org/

Web site of idiotic claims based on zero science. E=1/2mv²
Why can't 911 truth do math. It has been over 11 years, and 911 truth has only spread lies so idiotic only a few fringe people are fooled.

Should have taken physics. Something all 911 truth should be thinking. But physics; is hard; spreading nonsense easy.
Why does 911 truth believers spread lies about 911?


LOL, someone never did physics. Karate? lol

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kn3a--hf7_s
Since we know a hollow aluminum jet can't slice through a steel building like a hot-knife through butter, then common sense tells me all the footage of flight 175 is faked.
This is where most people's eyes glaze-over - when the scope of this conspiracy becomes apparent. All the world's media, governments, military and academia that aren't actively calling BS to the War on Terror are implicated. Impossible is impossible, even if presidents, professors, generals and news anchors say otherwise.

Whenever someone says a 757/767 with 1300 to 2093 pounds of TNT in kinetic energy can't enter the WTC shell, can't do math, physics or rational thinking. This is proof someone never did the math. That butter statement is a big red flag for woo.

The magic speed for aircraft not entering the WTC like 911, 200 mph, work done by engineers who use math and physics. On the other hand we have 911 truth which uses nothing but failed opinions.

all the footage of flight 175 is faked.

Wow, how did peoples eyes see 175? lol, how can someone make up a lie this dumb?
RADAR shows 175 from takeoff to impact, RADAR sees 175, the exact time and position video shows 175, and hundreds of people equipped with Mark 1 eyeballs. This statement debunked. Add RADAR to the long list of things 911 truth can't do.

Ready to work for peace? 9/11 Crash Test proposes a scientific test to prove the Official Story of 9/11 is a bad lie.

Ready to work for peace, so someone is spreading lies because they can't do the math/physics. 11 years of failure.

 

[yankee451]

Web site of idiotic claims based on zero science. E=1/2mv2

Project much?

 

[yankee451]

Why not some real evidence of something?

Such as?

 

[LSSBB]

Such as?

Well, there's video, radar, black box data, eyewitness testimony, physical debris, thing like that that all show three planes hit three buildings, bringing down three buildings and severely damaging several more, and a 4th plane that slammed into the ground. Plus lots of solid engineering analysis of the above. What do you have, since incredulity and inability to understand engineering don't count?

 

[beachnut]

Project much?

You make claims and don't show why a plane flying 590 mph would stop at the shell. You just make it up. Essentially you lie about 911.

You have the support of 0.01 percent of all engineers - means you have fantasy. What did 60 minutes say? Or do you only post your lies on youtube?

The time it takes to figure out 911 and take action is minutes. Why can't you do it given the answer, and 11 years? Flight 93 Passengers figured out 911 in minutes; why can't you?

You offer zero to support your failed claims. You don't even know the kinetic energy each plane had at impact. 911 truth doesn't do physics. Why did everyone in 911 truth skip physics? Too hard?

Doing some research on posters?

The web site is nonsense. http://911crashtest.org/ Pure BS.

 

[Clayton Moore]

Well, there's video, radar, black box data, eyewitness testimony, physical debris, thing like that that all show three planes hit three buildings, bringing down three buildings and severely damaging several more, and a 4th plane that slammed into the ground. Plus lots of solid engineering analysis of the above. What do you have, since incredulity and inability to understand engineering don't count?

You may want to review that.

 

[LSSBB]

You may want to review that.

Another vague reply?

 

[beachnut]

Do you even know what the website is for? Have you even watched the video "Tired of War Without End".

Watch the video and tell me again what you're complaining about.

You say a plane can't enter the WTC at 590 mph, or 430 mph. You are wrong. Your video is nonsense and created due to ignorance.

Is that your video? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kn3a--hf7_s

It is nonsense, it is laughable you could be that lacking in physics to say the stupid stuff you put in the video. Your kids and grandkids will be laughing when they see this, or they suffer from the same lack of knowledge and the inability to apply physics in the real world.

Yes, 99.9 percent of all engineers should be able to see your video is BS. How many do you have to back your claims who are not in 911 truth delusional lists of "experts" for 911 truth crap?

The WTC exterior was designed by Robertson to survive a 180 mph impact will little damage; verified after 911 by an independent study. Means engineers figure out 200 mph was the break point. Not someone who shows their silly wood stove and makes claims based on BS, not a 500 mph impact equal to 2000 pound of TNT in kinetic energy. You have no clue what KE is, and how KE weapons work; which is what 11, 175 and 77 were. No matter if they were made of water, they have energy and it kills, speed kills; it is physics, you don't offer any math, you offer BS, and your video proves my point.

I am an engineer and pilot, so the BS flag is raised, and will remain. Wait till you figure out you are wrong; time to erase the video, which is now saved for all to see forever as an example of why you might want to take physics so people can't spread lies. What did 60 Minutes tell you?
You have taken action? Right? Well do you feel lucky?

 

[beachnut]

I was quoting beachnut, who like you, doesn't pay attention. It's like pushing buttons with you amateurs.

The 590 comes from RADAR data. And NIST has many speeds. But what speed you want. Anything over 200 mph at the floors hit will enter the WTC. I can break it down for you. You don't use speed, math or physics; it looks like you use woo. Got some math? no

1300 pounds of TNT in KE for 11.
2093 pounds of TNT in KE for 175.
If you were an engineer, you will find that is enough energy to enter the WTC and break 6 and 10 core columns respectively.

Not something that matches your failed wood stove analogy.

 

[yankee451]

The 590 comes from RADAR data. And NIST has many speeds. But what speed you want. Anything over 200 mph at the floors hit will enter the WTC. I can break it down for you. You don't use speed, math or physics; it looks like you use woo. Got some math? no

1300 pounds of TNT in KE for 11.
2093 pounds of TNT in KE for 175.
If you were an engineer, you will find that is enough energy to enter the WTC and break 6 and 10 core columns respectively.

Not something that matches your failed wood stove analogy.

Oh good grief, not the "KE" argument. This forum is like 9/11-101 isn't it? Don't you want to point to a Wierzbicki document or something?

 

[beachnut]

From the mouth of babes.

You are no engineer or pilot.

My avatar, UPT 1975, Moody AFB, Ga. I also flew heavy jets, KC-135 and hold an ATP. Got a degree in engineering, and a masters degree. I enjoyed serving my country for 28 years, and tried to do my best. Why do you spread lies? Is that your best?

 

[yankee451]

The video describes an endeavor to conduct an empirical test to prove once and for all whether a hollow aluminum gas tank with a leading edge as sharp as a basketball can slice through dozens of box columns of sharp, stuctural steel.

It hasn't been conducted yet so I'm not sure what you expect me to prove. The engineering document won't even be completed for a few months so simmer down.

Edited by jhunter1163: 

Edited for civility.

 

[beachnut]

Oh good grief, not the "KE" argument. This forum is like 9/11-101 isn't it? Don't you want to point to a Wierzbicki document or something?

Got physics? No. You got woo. Lots of it.

Where is your math and equations to prove a 767 can't enter the WTC at speeds from 400 to 600 mph? Please prove your claim with physics. You don't seem to have expertise in KE/physics, as you point to other failed work.


Oh, yes, weak insults to the military will follow, as you ignore physics with silly claims, using idiotic wood stove analogy, skip the math, add nonsense. Repeat, and remain in Fantasyland.

I see you support the troops, calling them liars. Good one; thanks a lot for your support - but I don't need your support to do my best and respect my country, and expose lies like you spread freely without thinking twice, without doing the math.

 

[LSSBB]

Oh good grief, not the "KE" argument. This forum is like 9/11-101 isn't it? Don't you want to point to a Wierzbicki document or something?

Well, since we are apparently dealing with a newbie here. Your video couldn't go 1:21 without stating a lie. There was plenty of physical evidence. DNA, landing gear, burnt bodies, bits of fuselage, recorders, yada yada yada. And plenty of witnesses who saw real live planes, and heard them too. Radar also. What do you have? I saw your video, I didn't see any evidence of a conspiracy. You know, that persnickety legal stuff, like confessions, money trails, documentation, audio recordings, the stuff that has actually and would actually lead to convictions?

You're trying to convince people that the 4 hijacked planes didn't even exist. The evidence is stacked against you, a few thousand to zip.

Show me something real.

 

[beachnut]

The video describes an endeavor to conduct an empirical test to prove once and for all whether a hollow aluminum gas tank with a leading edge as sharp as a basketball can slice through dozens of box columns of sharp, stuctural steel.

It hasn't been conducted yet so I'm not sure what you expect me to prove. The engineering document won't even be completed for a few months so simmer down.

Edited by jhunter1163: 

Moderated content removed.

You can't prove anything, you sure do loose it when your fantasy is exposed.

On 911 there was a full scale demonstration by terrorists. Stock aircraft with real people murdered. You can't do the physics to understand 911. Why did you fail to take physics?

RADAR proves 175 and 11 impacted the WTC; do you do RADAR? I got the data, why don't you? You never checked the facts; you made up lies and skipped the research.

 

[yankee451]

Got physics? No. You got woo. Lots of it.

Where is your math and equations to prove a 767 can't enter the WTC at speeds from 400 to 600 mph? Please prove your claim with physics. You don't seem to have expertise in KE/physics, as you point to other failed work.

Oh, yes, weak insults to the military will follow, as you ignore physics with silly claims, using idiotic wood stove analogy, skip the math, add nonsense. Repeat, and remain in Fantasyland.

Spell it out for me Professor. Tell me all about the big bad mass in the big bad jet. I chose an empirical demonstration because most people don't understand the math - they understand the TeeVee. But fear not - I wouldn't dream of conducting this project without everything being open to public scrutiny (as stated in the video), so you'll be able to peruse the math to your heart's content.

 

[yankee451]

Clayton? I don't know whom you are referring to. My name is Steve De'ak.

 

[yankee451]

So, only military people who agree with you aren't brainwashed? Where's your proof that dear ol' Beachnut was indoctrinated? Why can't you attack his arguments and not his person, anyway?

Your paraphrasing skills are lacking.